'Old Jock Radio' w/ Peter Rankin : Early internet culture, The Beta Band & The art of music reviews

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Put on the drum machine. That's the game. [00:00:05] Speaker B: I'm moving now, you see I'm moving. I'm doing it, I'm doing it now. Check it out. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Old Jock radio. Old Jock radio. Old Jocks radio Old Jock radio and you the best. Old jocks radio Old Jock radio Old jock radio Try that beatbox. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Surprise me. Dodge radio because on Thursday night there's. [00:00:41] Speaker A: No place to go. [00:00:42] Speaker B: Podcaster, radio presenter, musician and we're called, I'm here right now, it's Pete Rankin. Possibly one of the reasons that you call that radio exist because, well, I listen to Old Jock radio, which is your show and yeah, that I'm sure that inspired. I mean I didn't deliberately rub you off or anything but. [00:01:05] Speaker A: No, but I think you were one of the few people that didn't. [00:01:12] Speaker B: But yeah, let's just start with JOK radio because so just can you. Well you, you describe what was, what was jock radio to you. [00:01:23] Speaker A: See, I knew you were going to do that. I should have prepared. When I was a kid, Mark, right, I used to spend all my time wandering around with a little cassette recorder, you know these little flat ones with the push down buttons. I got one of those when I was about 10 and I walked around with it all the time recording everything. And then I started making like fake radio shows in it when I was like a little bit older and I would like, I would put flat batteries in it so I could speed up the voices and all that kind of thing. I was obsessed with all that kind of thing all my life. And then I started making like sketches with me and my brother and we had this idea of a fake radio station one time and we just kept doing it and eventually, I can't remember what happened, I played some sketches to Steve when we were at college. We're down at my house having a bit of a booze up and I played some of them and he was like, oh my God, we've got to get this on the radio anyway. But we never did. And then a few years later Steve started saying to me, you know, you can buy software that you can broadcast. This would be about 2000 and oh my God, 2002, something like that, 2003, you can buy software that you can broadcast actual radio from. So I went home that night, I downloaded software and we started broadcasting from my flat in Edinburgh, like the next kind of, in the next sort of couple of days and me and Steve were doing it and we broadcast seven days a week for about seven days a week, for about six or Seven hours a night, me and Steve, because we were so thrilled. We couldn't believe we were doing that. And we had, like 10 people, maybe 10 people were listening to us, but that was enough. And we just kept doing it, and we just kept doing it, and then it just kind of went on from. It kind of went on from there, and it just kind of carried on, and we ended up doing it for more or less 20 years. Yeah, more or less 20 years. [00:03:35] Speaker B: So I must. I must have missed the early, early days then, because I think everyone did. Yeah. [00:03:42] Speaker A: There was nobody there. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I know that feeling. [00:03:46] Speaker A: It was literally. [00:03:47] Speaker B: There was the first. [00:03:48] Speaker A: I'll say. I'll tell you about. The first listener was a guy called Richard Bray, who actually ended up being on the show as being one of the presenters. I used to look down. I used to look down at the counter, you know, used to have this counter on the show, and it would tell you how many people were listening, and it would just say, one. You know, that was enough. And we kept doing it, and that was Richard Bray that was listening. And then it would go up to 10. And then we got a server. Somebody gave us a server, and we could take. I don't know, we could take a couple of hundred. And then we'd be broadcasting, and we'd say we'd have 100 people listening, which was great, you know, and we'd start talking about something. You'd see the numbers start to fall, and we were like, oh, no, start talking about something else. So we ended up getting rid of that. Fuck. Can I swear? Is it all right? I swear? [00:04:39] Speaker B: Yeah, of course you can. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Okay, for future reference. So we ended up getting rid of the number counter, because that was a disaster, because that would literally affect everything you do if you're watching numbers going up and down. But, yeah, so we were doing. Basically, we were doing what Adam Buxton was doing, except he was incredibly successful, and we were doing the exact same thing. And when we. When we started doing, like, Internet radio, basically, literally nobody was doing it. 2003, it was hardly anybody doing it. And then suddenly. Not suddenly, but by the end of it, everyone was doing it, which is great. And then it became podcasting, and then you'll know yourself. Mark, the. The space for a podcast. I mean, there are everyone. And his dog is doing a podcast. It's like, there's 10,000 podcasts now. And we were actually putting podcast. I'm not banging my own drum here. But we were putting podcasts up online. I don't know, 2004. [00:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Putting a couple up a week. We didn't. We didn't even know what. We didn't even know what they were. And there was. There was. I don't know. [00:05:53] Speaker B: It was. It was. I remember it. I remember going to website because. So I. I found that through. So I doesn't know you're referring to Steve Mason of the Beta Band. And. Yeah, I think it was the old Jock Radio theme song was on the DVD extras. Does that sound. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Was it. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Did you not know that? [00:06:12] Speaker A: Oh, on the Beat Band dvd. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yes, the Beat Band dvd. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Yes. We made a bunch of videos for that. It's quite a. It's quite a funny story. [00:06:20] Speaker B: It's brilliant, man. I remember. I think the first time I met Steve was at the King Biscuit Time concert and he said that he was just kind of like, yeah, we didn't have any budget so we just went to big videos for things that didn't have a video yet. And I thought it was amazing. You know. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Far be it for me to go against Steve, but there was a budget from. I believe. [00:06:48] Speaker B: This was a pop. This was the pop music era where people would expect real budgets. [00:06:54] Speaker A: There was a budget of. I think there was budget of. I might be wrong here but I seem to remember the budget was 1500 pounds for a video per pop video. And Steve said to me, well, I had a camera and an editing speak. So I was doing that documentary. So I had all the gear. He said why don't we just. Why don't we just make the videos and keep the money? Which is exactly what we did. Yeah, they had a budget of 000 budget. We spent the money on PlayStation games or whatever. You know. [00:07:35] Speaker B: The. Yeah, because it was. It was on the DVD extras. It was just like old Jock Radio and I may be playing a wee bit later on for people that don't know it. But yeah, I just seen that and I was like, what is this? So I just. I don't even think Google was a hang. I mean I don't think people Googled. Certainly wasn't a phrase. You didn't Google something. So I just looked up. [00:07:54] Speaker A: I can't remember. It was. It seems like such an antiquated time. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:00] Speaker A: It all seemed. When I look back in and out it seems so wind up. It really does. Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker B: But yeah, yeah, you had that. You had the she. I went on the site and then there was a. There was loads and loads. Like I started going through the back catalog and then I noticed the other sign saying Live Thursday and I was like what is it? You can listen to it live. And there it was. It was a live interactive podcast. I mean, this is, what's. This is a people that are listening to this as a podcast. I know there's a live stream on YouTube and then we put it as a podcast. But this didn't have a name, so it was just a radio show. But what made it interesting compared to a lot of other. The only radio show that I knew of that had the MSN thing where. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Yes, that's right. Yes. All the chat was done through msn. Yeah. [00:08:48] Speaker B: And it felt very futuristic back then to me. Anyway. [00:08:51] Speaker A: It was, it was. And the funny, the funny thing about that is people, you know, people would message a show in life like yourself. I ended up knowing most of those people. I ended up becoming friends with so many of them. And that, that was probably the brilliant thing about it, that I still know those people today. I, you know, I'm still in touch with them, you know, our 10 listeners, whatever it was, you know, it was better than that. But the point was I got the people who regularly messaged in. I ended up knowing them and seeing them and meeting them. [00:09:27] Speaker B: All that radio as well, it's the same. I mean, you obviously got lurkers that don't, that don't comment as well, but you don't, you don't always know. But shout outs to the commenters and also shout outs to the lurkers. You don't need a comment if you don't want to just enjoy the show. The thing that made, I think that the best bit about old Jolt Radio, those sketches were great, the interviews were great. Obviously, as I beat a band fan as well. It was good to get an insight for Steve as well. But the, the brutality of the demo dump, which. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Oh yeah, God, yeah, yeah. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Well, I think explain the demo D to the audience. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Well, it was called Steven Seagal's Demo D. That was what it was called. Because I realized that Steven Seagal had a blues band. The actor, the film actor, Steven Seagal, he had this God awful blues band I found really amusing that I used to watch every now and again. So I had this sort of fantasy in my head that she, Steven Seagal was getting sent demos, but we were getting them instead. So it was called Steven Seagal's Demo Dump. So we put a call out for people to send their music in in a very genuine way. But we made this promise that if you sent it, it would get played no matter what what it was. And that's what we did. We Got some really brilliant stuff. I remember you said the really weird acoustic things in and it was called the Gyro Babies. [00:10:55] Speaker B: It was still called Gyro Babies. It was a very different band. But, yeah, at that time it was just me and Hazy. So we had a. An acoustic guitar, my dad's acoustic guitar. Yeah, they'd just been sitting around the house forever. And then a Sing Star mic and an old PC and absolutely no clue what we're doing. [00:11:15] Speaker A: So that's what we had at the other end. [00:11:19] Speaker B: Talking to each other through toilet roll tubes. But yeah, it was. But it was. It was actually really good because I think that I developed quite a thick skin quite early on because, well, I think I enjoyed. I enjoyed the comedy of everyone else getting destroyed and then. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Were we horrible? Were we horrible to you? [00:11:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:39] Speaker A: Were we horrible to you, Mark? [00:11:40] Speaker B: It was funny. Yeah, it was. I wouldn't see you were particularly horrible, but obviously, no, you're reading out the comments of everyone else. [00:11:50] Speaker A: Actually, that's it, Mark. I will correct myself there. I never made a comment on the demos. When I think back on it now, I never said whether I liked them, hated them or not. It was purely. [00:12:02] Speaker B: You read the comments and you laughed at certain ones. [00:12:05] Speaker A: It was purely the listeners that were commenting. And of course, if you're a listener commenting on demos, fuck, man, you can be so brutal because it's going through a buffer of somebody else. Yeah, there was terrible things said about people. [00:12:18] Speaker B: You know, there really was an anonymous time as well. So it was just basically all we needed was an Emmet, you know, a Microsoft email address. So people were called just, I don't know, avenging Angel 45 or whatever. You know, just. You're totally anonymous and you're talking about a band you've never heard of because I would imagine, for the most part, unknown bands. And yeah, so as. [00:12:44] Speaker A: As Roger Waters would say, the bravery of being out of range, you know, I mean, only, you know, you could say what you want because there was no comeback. But of course, I mean, I'm a blame because I read them out. [00:12:55] Speaker B: If you do that, you can find out people's. You get them canceled, get them fired. [00:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember we used to get stuff from all over the world, from literally all over the world, demos we got. I got one from Canada once from a band and the band, they got the worst. The band stuck in my head because they were called. They were called the Honey Badgers. And they were a Canadian rock. A Canadian soft rock band, you know, like Nickelback or something, like that and their manager sent me an email and the demo and I listened to it. It was like a, it was just like, you know, North American soft rock sort of pish, basically. And I sent, I contacted, it was a female. I contacted her and I said, look, I don't think you understand the, the format of the show. I said, I, I made the promise I would play it, but said if I do play it, you'll probably get crucified by the listener. So I'm just giving you fair warning. Do you want me to go ahead? And she said, said to me, no, that won't happen. She said, she said, I got, I've got full confidence in my band and that won't happen. So we played the Honey Badgers, you know, recording, which is, you know, inoffensive. There's nothing particularly, but it was just kind of average rock, which we, that's not what we did. And of course it got absolutely flamed, I mean, really badly. Flames to the point where I had to stop reading them out. And he contacted me about half an hour after the show had gone out. She said I wasn't to put that up online. She was gonna sue my ass. And you know, it really raged, really rage, you know. I did try and say, but I don't think probably the American sensibilities didn't understand, you know, that kind of, that kind of thing at all. So, yeah, yeah, the demo dump was fun, but it used to make me cringe and I used to feel bad because it's a bit like booting a kitten in the balls a lot of the time. So that is why I would not make, I, you know, I wouldn't make a comment on it because I didn't want to be the person doing that. But yeah, and we used to get Steve to do it. I think I remember we had a panel. We'd have a panel and the listeners. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah, the panel was the part, like you said. I think the panel was trying to show. No, it was, it was a non partisan panel. But obviously when somebody said something funny about a song that he's obviously didn't like, then obviously everyone bust out laughing. [00:15:29] Speaker A: I don't remember us being particularly cruel, but certainly, certainly the listeners were. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, I, I loved Jukebox Jury, you know, that's, I love that TV show. And that's what we were trying to do. I like that. I liked people talking about, talking about records, you know, and, you know, but of course, being old jock radio all ended up twisted as basically I've still got. I've still got all the demos, Mark. I still have all of them. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Is that what's behind you? [00:16:03] Speaker A: I said I've still got everything. I've still got everything we were ever sent. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Yep. Is that. Is that the records that are behind you? [00:16:12] Speaker A: No, they're all. They're all on fire. I tell you, I should bring out an album called Steven Seagal's Demo Dump with everything on it. [00:16:21] Speaker B: See, I think maybe the. Obviously that. That average rock band with a manager from Canada. Yeah, they've obviously. They obviously have convinced themselves that they're. They're good. They're object. Objectifying good. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yes. [00:16:34] Speaker B: For us, I suppose. I suppose because we was at such an early stage, nobody actually heard their music, so we hadn't had any smoke blown up or ass. And we were under no illusions that we hadn't. We didn't know. We knew it. We didn't know what we were doing. And, you know, we hadn't really spent. We did. We definitely didn't spend any money on the. The recordings and we hadn't really put any work into it. I wouldn't say either. So it's quite easy to. To be destroyed in that environment, but. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Well, I thought you were kidding. I thought you were joking. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah, we were kind of. I mean, that is the thing. There was a lot of things, you know, at the start, you know, where I'm from, if you say that you're in a band, people say, oh, you're a rock and roll star. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:17:14] Speaker B: In the interest of self preservation, it's important not to say you're in a band, full stop. And if you think. And if you are going to be in a band. So I thought, you know, that's why a lot of the songs that. The first album or the first EP demos and stuff, it was kind of things like a bit bank charges. Jerry Mikhail. Just trying to be. Trying to. Trying to be humorous in some way. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Well, we. We loved. We loved the name the Gyro Babies when that. That popped up. I think you actually called yourself Gyro's Babies on msn, I think. [00:17:48] Speaker B: I can't remember. [00:17:52] Speaker A: When that came up. We were like, gyro Babies. That's good. You know, that's just instantly good. Instantly. Great name. And then I remember you sending stuff. I'm just going, it's a drunk man with an acoustic guitar. With an acoustic guitar, yeah. So awake. [00:18:12] Speaker B: Yes, so. But it's the art of music. Reviews like EPIS just commented to say demo Dump sounds like an honest critique Bring it back. I would love to bring it back. If you ever want to do it, Pete on here, that we could bring it back one night. [00:18:29] Speaker A: But yeah, I don't. [00:18:32] Speaker B: I mean, I wouldn't say honest critique is correct either because I think that we just came out of the NME era. I think it was just kind of maybe the beginning of post nme and. [00:18:43] Speaker A: I don't know what that means, but. [00:18:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I just made it up there. It's like. It sounds good though, doesn't it? But what. [00:18:50] Speaker A: I mean, I just came out of the Stones era. [00:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I quite enjoyed reading, putting, I think back. It was probably London hipsters just destroying music. They're probably absolute. But you couldn't see them or hear them. Yeah, I enjoyed people not liking music. I thought it was quite fun. It's something I would want to do. But it's a. It's a very faint. It's a fine art and mark at the end. [00:19:16] Speaker A: At the end of the day, people love a bad review. That's the one you want to read. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:21] Speaker A: If you want. If you're. If you. Sorry, I mean if you're. If you're. If you're sitting with a. With the pages open for what's on the cinema and you see a one star review, you read it because that's what you want to read. It's just one of those things. If ever. If everything's good, nothing's good, you know, but, you know. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think it's an honest critique because I think what you're having is people trying to outdo each other. So it's kind of like almost like a mob mentality. A very funny. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. But everyone's trying to outdo each other to make it funny, funnier. But when it comes to honest critique, you. You do obviously have your podcast now, what I'm listening to. And that is an honest critique because I think you're very fair. When you don't like something, you call out. But you're. You're quite. Yeah, your honest opinions. And I was just. Was just think. I actually. I nearly didn't actually bring this up with Rebecca Radical yesterday, but she. She actually asked me. She's got a new album with absolute rights and she was asking, you know, would you recommend the Enemy send it to for review? And that seems to be a total art form that has just vanished. It. It. There is if. What was that? You said that if everything's. If everything's good, then nothing's good because the only people, the only cogs. In the machine that are still turning as people that are PR companies that are paying journalists. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's boring. [00:20:46] Speaker B: It's terrible. It's terrible. And as it was, we've not one. We've made one review, actually, shout outs to New Hellfire Club. We. I think we've only one review of our entire album and that's it. [00:21:00] Speaker A: That's ridiculous. [00:21:01] Speaker B: I think Blues Bunny, maybe they've not reviewed as yet, but they usually review our singles. So I think they've just maybe not get around to or whatever. But I mean, Louder Than war. We got nine out of 10 for Utopia. We've not managed to get through to them this year. Seems to be that there's no. I suppose there's no. There's no money in the music industry. So people are reviewing for the love of it and they're getting. They're getting hassled. You know, their inbox is just filled with people wanting to review them. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:30] Speaker B: And it's a thankless task, I suppose. [00:21:33] Speaker A: I don't get hassled at all. I got a couple of thousand people will watch my review podcast and that's, you know, I'm happy with that. But my reviews are coming from a completely different space than anybody else's reviews. They're not coming from a space of, you know, they're not coming from a place of knowledge and critique, really. They're coming from a place of just purely emotional content. Half the time I don't actually know what I'm talking about, but I don't worry about that. I'm not there for information, you know, I'm not doing information. What I'm doing is edutainment kind of thing. And also, it's really just me showing off again, as usual. You know, I want it to be a comedy show as much as review show, you know. And also I don't really go. [00:22:25] Speaker B: It's hard to make that because I want. I worked for. I did a couple of reviews for a couple of websites when I was younger and the idea of being a music journalist appealed to me. But it's really hard to. To make something entertaining that's actually saying that something's good. So, yeah, people ask me, I try and look, I put up a. I try and put up a quote. Someone says, can you get me a wee review? I'll try my best, but it's quite hard to write well and make it interesting. And that's why it's great what you're doing. I think also what makes you so different is you're, you're basically going from the entire past of your musical knowledge. So it doesn't need to be. [00:23:06] Speaker A: No. My podcast is called what Am I Listening to and why? So that is. And that is the truth of it. It is though. It is the six lps, but I do it every fortnight. It's the six lps that have been on my turntable in the fortnight. And that might be one new album, two old albums. You know, there is no kind of. I'm not trying to make people like records or buy records or be into this and not into that. I'm not trying to do any of that at all in reality. I haven't got a clue what I'm trying to do. All I just know is that when you, if you can talk about these things, and I know this, what I do is for people who are round about my age, maybe a bit younger, maybe a bit older. That's all I'm trying to do. This isn't for. It's not for the kids. They would look at me and go, is he doing. You know, it's not for the readers of the nme. It's for people who maybe remember that record. And you know, I mean, I do a fair amount of slagging on that thing, but it's all. Say it's all good natured, but it's. I don't really mean any of it, you know, it's like I say in the thing, you know, don't get upset. It's more to do with my memories and how I feel rather than what the records are really like, you know. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Also, I think an important point is as well is that a lot of the artists that you're referenced into have already had successful careers. [00:24:27] Speaker A: Yeah. What do they care? [00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's different not punching down maybe like an NME guy with the. An upcoming band. It's. This is somebody that's. It could be someone that's internationally successful and a millionaire in a par. And you're just saying, I think that album was so. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Yes, I'm sure. That's why I don't really. I don't review albums of people I know. Really? Because it would. I mean, what good would it do? Because I'd have to sit and think, oh, no, you know, if I got. If I was to review your album, I'd be thinking, oh, would say I didn't like it. I wouldn't. I wouldn't know what to do because I wouldn't want to hurt you, you know. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Okay. It's okay, man. I've learned through the demo dump. I'd rather have a bad review for you. I wear your bad review with pride. It's okay. [00:25:14] Speaker A: I did, I did a review of a band. I noticed you've done a thing. You know that band the Tenamentals. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Yes, we had them in the show. [00:25:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, I know. I, I, I saw that and I did their album about a month ago and I gave it a pretty lukewarm review, really. And then, and then that was one of the few that I kind of felt bad about because in reality I didn't, I didn't know anything about them, Mark. You know, I didn't research them and, you know, I just played the record and, and then I felt kind of bad about it because I thought, oh, and then, and then you can tell me, what are they some sort of. Are they a project? Are they a band? What are they? [00:25:56] Speaker B: So my understanding is that, So I don't, I, I think it's a, it feels to me like it's a kind of universe. I think they're all university lecturers, maybe. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I did make a thing about that. [00:26:09] Speaker B: I haven't, I haven't reset. I haven't, I didn't research too much myself. Basically what happened was, yeah, is they had once did a single that was absolutely brilliant. What was it called? The Phoenix of the. It's an amazing. [00:26:19] Speaker A: The Isle of Minerva. Yes, that's the, that is an amazingly great record. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. [00:26:28] Speaker A: So it really is. [00:26:29] Speaker B: And then the Minerva Wakes is obviously is, is Joe the arc for Gyro Babies as well. So they remember that. Minerva. Yeah, I was blown away with that video and I noticed that they had an album lunch coming up. So I said, just why? Come on. And it was a nice conversation about. We talked about, you know, sort of left wing politics, but in a historical sense. So, yeah, very academic. It's a kind of academic, dense project and I've not really got, I've not really listened to the album properly myself yet, but it's, yeah, the Alumin was, was, was, was a, an interesting record. [00:27:01] Speaker A: So I've not really got a Scottish Fall. To me, it was Kraken. I really loved it. But, but my point is, I'm only bringing them up to say because, because I've done something that was quite local and yada. I suddenly had a sort of pang of. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't. So I'll probably, probably avoid doing things like that, really. But, you know. Well, I didn't know what it was I didn't know. I just had the record. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah, sorry, man, I didn't know what it was. [00:27:34] Speaker A: But. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I think. I don't. I think. I think they'll be fine. They've had great. They've loads of great reviews. Like, you can. You can't just. They've actually had lots of press and it's all been positive and. And I think they're doing fine. They could. They could take a lukewarm review and. It wasn't a bad review. It wasn't exactly your Hu and Cry review. Can you explain to me. No, you were talking about Hu and Cry. Now, I. I know very little about. It was a bit before my time. [00:28:01] Speaker A: You're a lucky man. [00:28:04] Speaker B: So. Well, could you just explain to the listeners what hu. And the scene was. Was a late 80 sourcing in Glasgow while I just get my charger. I'll make you full screen. You can explain it while I get my charger. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Oh, that's great. Just hand me the show. Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah. Well, in. I did a. In the late 80s, there was a kind of. Mark says soul scene, but there was a kind of music scene in Glasgow that I was kind of involved in, in. In bands and stuff, but I didn't really like it and there was lots of what I would call real poser bands and Hue and Cry were probably. Probably maybe the ones that I liked least. And on my show, what am I listening to and why? I. I gave them a bit of. [00:28:58] Speaker B: A. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Bit of a tongue lashing, but it was kind of tongue in cheek. It all got a little bit out of hand. Boys Will Be Boys. Maybe I said things that I regret, I don't know. But it was a horrible scene, Mark. It was a terrible scene. And it sounds like I'm having to go at Glasgow and I'm slightly, slightly am at that point, because I tell you what, it was, you know, what was wrong with all of that? It was so elitist. It was the most elitist thing I've ever seen in music. And I spent a lot of time in Glasgow in the late 80s in cocktail bars, poncing around the bands and it was horrible and I found them really repugnant. And then there was the two little boys thing, which happened about 10 years ago, which put the. The tin lid on it, if you've ever seen them doing that, which is horrible. [00:29:48] Speaker B: I only learned that from. From you. But wait, sorry, I thought Irish cover, like a long time ago. It's only 10 years ago. They did roll Faris. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Yes, I can't maybe, maybe slightly more than that but not much more because the guy playing the piano, the, the other brother, he looks like Victor Meldrew in that clip. The years, the years have not been kind but yeah. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Did they choose to do a Roll Faris cover after all the. The stuff came out? [00:30:22] Speaker A: No, no, I don't think, I think, I don't think they did it. It was just a terrible mistake. [00:30:29] Speaker B: For. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Many reasons but on every level that you can imagine. So yeah, they're the only, that's the only band that have ever received a zero in what am I listening to and why. So you know they did it. They. They did it. I mean I chose it. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Probably built Jig Tiger. Hello, Stuart. Hello Episodes. I was being polite, I didn't want to say it sounds like a piss ripping exercise on the barely talented hopefuls amongst us. No, demo them wasn't. It wasn't, it was just about. It was Scottish people as well. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think that everyone understood the game. I mean I, I really do. I don't think people gen. Like I say, the only people that genuinely got upset was that Canadian band because they didn't understand the game and I tried to explain it to them and they didn't understand it but I think everyone. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Else, I mean, how did they find. You know what? [00:31:29] Speaker A: I probably imagine it was some fucking PR person who's going right, let's find independent radio people to send it to without really knowing what they were doing in reply to what the guy said there. Yes, but you wouldn't be listening to old Shot radio unless you were up for that. You just wouldn't be, you know, you wouldn't be involved in it. It was only because if you, you sent it to yourself not knowing what it was you probably saw. They probably went on the Internet and went radio and saw that, you know, I mean it really would be. And I tried to explain. So yeah, yes, I mean I think it was a comedy that we were all taking part in really. We're not hateful people. [00:32:11] Speaker B: We got going back to the. The most horrible scene of all time. So it's the 80s. You get you and cry. They get their zero. [00:32:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:19] Speaker B: What, what else do you remember of that time? Because this seems to have been sort of swept under the. I don't know anything. [00:32:29] Speaker A: Well, I was in a band in the, in that era called Dual Public and we were desperately trying to make it and we were kind of, you know, we were on the bottom rung of that scene trying to scrape up it and so we were doing a lot in Glasgow and record and playing fucking hundreds of gigs in Glasgow. And so you find yourself in the middle of that scene, which I really didn't like it at all. I felt incredibly uncomfortable. To me it felt like it was full of horrible grown ups with expensive clothes who kind of looked down on you. And I didn't understand. [00:33:04] Speaker B: As you speak of what. What is anything still going from that era or has all changed? [00:33:10] Speaker A: I don't. I see. Ah, I can't remember but I mean I used to sort of go. Go to them. Not wanting to go to them, but because. Because of what we were doing in the band, we had to try and be seen in the right cocktail bar, you know, really. I mean it genuinely was like that Mark. The music industry, music now, I don't imagine it's anything like that at all. But you know, it was all social climbing and to me everyone looked like an adult who was on a. Should have been on a yacht. Maybe it was the yacht rock time. Is that a thing? That is a thing, isn't it? [00:33:45] Speaker B: Yacht rock. [00:33:47] Speaker A: That's the real thing. But yeah, it was just sort of the late 80s and you know, there's an awful lot of really bad music done there. I know because I did some of it myself. There was a lot of bass stuff and I. I just. I was never comfortable because I didn't feel like I was really tall and good looking and could sing like Pat, you know, I just. That was not. I didn't understand why. I never understood why we were trying to get into that. To me, if I would have been running the other way, you know, I. I come from like a punk background, so it just didn't. I was really uncomfortable with it. But we did lots of gigs in Glasgow. I can't even remember one venue we played but. Oh God. What was the big studio? Was it SA Is that Savoy Club? SA no big. The big recording studio in Glasgow at that time was. Sadly. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Car Studios has been there for a while. I don't know when that opened exactly, but that we used to go to Car. The Carol Studios. Don Stark says just looked at the Hue and Cry album with Two Little Boys. I'm glad to have avoided that. So it was on an album. I thought it was like a. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Was it. Oh my God. You know, that's crazy. Crazy. [00:35:04] Speaker B: I think you're doing okay. You and Cry doing. Are they all right? [00:35:08] Speaker A: Well, no, but clearly not. But I don't know. I think. I think it was something. It was something to do. They were doing it as a protest song on some war that, that we were, we were involved in. And they would sing it very earnestly. And I remember Pat Kane being incredibly proud because he'd written an extra verse. I mean, come on. And you saw that two little boys. I was like, oh, my God, this is going to take a week. Yeah, it's just misplaced, just misguided. But it's one of these things that when you see it, you can't help. Take an aim, can't. You can't help it. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Was it Cava Studios, Jigsaw Tiger Asks. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that was it. I thought it was called Savar. I remember that place. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you've got one letter. You're one letter. [00:36:03] Speaker A: All right. I think I remember, I think we were recording there one time and I used. It was, it was in the winter and it was bloody freezing. I remember I used to go out from the studio and, and walk to buy these, like buy bacon rolls somewhere. And I used to always see this tramp standing in the same place. And I said to him one time, I said, why are you always standing here? It's because he was standing on the grate of the bakery, so it was heat that was coming up keeping him alive. I just think, God, it was so bad he had to stand in this one spot to stay alive. Jesus. I know, I know. It's worse now. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Mary's Prayer. A human cry reference from Gizmo. [00:36:50] Speaker A: No, no, Mary's Prayer. That's Danny Wilson from Dundee. They're a lot better than that. A lot better. Not my kind of bag. But they're, they're a Dundee band, that's all. They're, they're not in the same kind of. I don't know why, like I, I, I don't know why I picked on you and cry. It was low hanging fruit. I was in the record shop and I saw it for two quid and I thought, oh, I can destroy that. And that's what I did. That's how cynical it was. Because every time I do the thing, I have to find one really bad record to talk about. Because I feel that people enjoy a bad review. [00:37:22] Speaker B: People love a bad review. [00:37:23] Speaker A: It's not an accident. [00:37:25] Speaker B: I would love a bad review. From yourself. For anyone, for anyone listening. Feel. [00:37:29] Speaker A: No, you wouldn't. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Album. We did a couple of band reviews before and although it stings a wee bit at the beginning, you get, it's really, it's really good to like even get a screenshot of someone saying something bad because it usually Gets people who laugh that they kind of don't really like you. And it gets people that do like you to kind of. Yeah. Take your side. [00:37:51] Speaker A: I. We used to get. I mean, personally, I. I used to get quite a bit of abuse for old Jock Radio. And I used to find it, you know, horrible. Used to upset me. Like, not, not upset me. Oh, how dare they. Just on a very personal level that somebody would be saying, you know. Because a lot of the time my phone number was in the show. I used to come home sometimes and there'd be messages calling me. I can't, you know, and that's, you know, and then I had people follow me around. I used to have a guy called. I called him you in the bushes. Because he used to. When I used to come out of my flat in Edinburgh, I'd find him walking along beside me and he would just start talking to me and, you know, stuff like that. You're always frightened they're gonna pull out a hammer and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Well, there's no. There's no music. There's no. There's no music reviews, so the art is gone. So how can people listen to your podcast if they. They want it? What I do Facebook. But has it got his own. Anything else? [00:38:59] Speaker A: I go straight to Facebook because it seems to be the most instant way to get a couple of thousand hits. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Over a week, you know. And then what? Once, one. Once it's been on Facebook for a couple of weeks, I dump it onto YouTube where it gets no action. None. I'll get like, you know, I'll get like 60 or 70, maybe 200 if I'm lucky. Right. But mostly it's in the sort of, you know, I'll get 50 or 60 hits on. On YouTube. I don't promote it at all on YouTube. I. I see as YouTube is a place to just really store them. But if anybody wants to see them, and I think there's 35 episodes, they are on the old jock radio, YouTube. And probably the last, you know, there's. There's two ready to go up again. As I say, I put them on there for storage. But, you know, people watch them. People watch them. That's great. But really, you want to be on the Peter Rankin fast Facebook. And I drop. What am I listening to and why? Every second weekend, mostly, if I can manage it. Sometimes I get in a real panic and I'm like, oh, hell, pressure stuff. [00:40:04] Speaker B: It's good. It's good to give yourself a deadline and what you should. What I would recommend I Think that's the reason I I decided to go. We used to multi stream to twitch, Facebook and YouTube but I just want YouTube because it feels like things can people it seems the way videos come back on YouTube. Well I feel like sometimes Facebook it seems to. It has a spike and then it just goes away forever. So it's good that you're keeping it for perpetuity. Perpetuity. [00:40:36] Speaker A: We know what we mean. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Do that. What I'd recommend as well is I use Castos. It doesn't need to be Castos but I've got a referral code for Castos if you want it and once it's a wee bit you need connect up all your. Your RSS feeds and all that explore and I'll explain that to you offline. But then so at this for example I will take this. Maybe I am some sound issues or I'll get Marco sometimes helps me if I need some help with the production side of things. There it goes. I just. I just upload it once and it goes to Apple, Spotify, Pocket Cars. [00:41:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:12] Speaker B: And all the multiple. The multiple. All the podcast. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Speaking of Spotify, pretty much all the old jock radio. You know the last. I maybe put the last four years of old jock radio on Spotify. It's all been removed. It's all. I get an email every week saying we're removing another three of your shows. So don't go to Spotify for old jock radio. But you can still catch. There's on. I can't remember the. On the others. On the other. Would you call it streaming podcast platforms. Yes. You can still get the. The last kind of. I don't know, maybe 40 old jock radios which are good. You know, they're good quality ones. They're still there as far as I know. But Spotify has just said no, you're not. You're not getting it. I don't. I think it's probably because we play music and I didn't realize you had to take the music out. We usually played about. We played about five records per show and I didn't flip them out, I just uploaded them, you know. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yeah, you probably. You've maybe played some. Something like a Motown of the. They've got the. The strictest lawyers in the game. [00:42:24] Speaker A: So you may be playing Pink Floyd. Never play. Never play any Pink Floyd immediately. You just think this can kill you immediately. I made a mistake on a Facebook broadcast once when I was a DJ broadcasting a couple of years ago and it was gone for two hours. There was plenty of people I played a tiny little bit of Pink Floyd. It was over. So they seem to be the worst. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Yeah, Pink Floyd, Motown. There's just certain things you just can't get away with playing. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:55] Speaker B: The thing is as well, it's also, it's changed now because of the AI technology. So that's why he stopped streaming to Facebook mainly. That was the main reason because it just. We kept on getting cut off all the time. And it seems like YouTube seems to have a deal, has made some sort of deal with the, the record labels now the majors, which means that you just, they get the monetization of the show. Which doesn't bother me because there's absolutely no. We are monetized but not. We don't really get much. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Well, I find it when I put my review. I put my review videos up on YouTube on Ojok Radio, YouTube, by the way. I put my, my, my videos up on there. Sometimes I get a little triangle telling me it's not to be able to play in a certain country, but I don't know what country that is. I don't know if it's America or Luxembourg, you know, I don't know. [00:43:44] Speaker B: If you click on it, it says it'll tell you so something. Sometimes it's, sometimes it's, it's just things like Russia and Azerbaijan and then other aer. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:43:57] Speaker B: Donald Trump there. Go to Donald Trump in a minute. But yeah, yeah, you seem to be really enjoying hating Donald Trump. [00:44:07] Speaker A: No, I don't, I don't. No, no, that's the truth, Mark. I'm not enjoying it. I enjoy it on, on a certain level, but I also just find it so absolutely gut wrenching at the same time. It is just horrific and I can only, I can only watch a little amount and I spend my whole life going, oh my God, surely not. Oh my God. You know, I can't believe what's happening. But obviously the big march the other day was incredible and that's the first sort of good bit of Donald Trump news that I've seen really. But no, I mean, you'd think I would enjoy it. It is the sort of thing I do enjoy, but I actually don't. I do see quite a lot of it. God watches a lot of it and I, I see it, I see with him, but I can only take too much. I can't take too much. I start to feel depressed, genuinely. [00:45:03] Speaker B: I think that the, the thing is that just the lack of consequences that ever seems to happen to. But so it was good to see like the Biggest protest in u. S. History, apparently. And I think quite a funny meme. And it's like when you spend £61 million on a birthday military parade and there's like 10 people in a tank. [00:45:22] Speaker A: And then it's like, squeaky wheel. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it compared to when the whole country thinks you're a dick, has a data to call you a dick, and, you know, there's just millions of people there. And yeah, he responded with an AI Video of him flying over wearing a crown or as an Instagram influencer. I don't know who the guy is. He's wearing the crown and he's shy and. And it's like loy sh. Comes at the airplane on top of. [00:45:51] Speaker A: Landing on the crowd. [00:45:52] Speaker B: An Instagram influencer. I think he's a lefty Instagram influencer or something like that. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Well, it lands on. It lands on the crowd. It lands on the crowd of protesters. [00:46:01] Speaker B: One of the guys is, all right, okay, guys, A real person with 800,000. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Well, I mean, what do you take from that? You know, there's your president dropping shite on the. On the people. Well, he nailed it himself. He nailed it himself, didn't he? He's made his own statement. But I saw him hanging on the plane the other day, and somebody asked him about the protest and he said, what was it? Very small. Totally in the. You know, these people do not represent. Very, very small. And you just think, is that what he actually thinks? I think it might be. I think people come in, he asked them what's going on, they say, well, it's very small, Mr. President. And that's basically it. I think he's surrounded, obviously surrounded by sycophants who tell him what he wants to hear, and he's not. He doesn't know. I get the impression he has no idea, really. He probably really thinks it is very small. [00:46:51] Speaker B: I think. Yeah. I think he's. I think he's wrapped up in his own. I mean, he's. He said he's the fake it till you make it thing. He's taking that to new extremes where he is going to be the dictator of the world just by pretending that, you know, that nobody knows more about anything than him. I mean, that's sort of classic. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Nobody knows. Nobody knows. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I can agree that it's like in a version of delusional, the fact that. [00:47:19] Speaker A: I think very much so, that's. [00:47:23] Speaker B: But every time he says, someone came up to me and said, sir, and this is like a little conversation that he's had and he said because I don't see many people going up and calling him sir. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Yeah, big man crying when you hear the word sir, you know the next sentence is a lie. That's all, that's all I can, that's all I can gather from it all. But you know obviously, you know I'm speaking obvious here but obviously Donald Trump, he doesn't know his history. He doesn't know the history of dictators, what happens to them. You know, they end up hanging from fucking lampposts. And he will too either literally or metaphorically but he will end up hanging from a lamppost eventually. It's not, this isn't going to win. It isn't, it isn't going to stick. It will be over and once it's over there'll be a lot of people who will be accountable and that's going to be an even uglier time for America I think in a lot of ways. [00:48:19] Speaker B: You know and that's why you're starting to get some of the, the sort of the right wing Republicans that can sense a change in the air like Tucker Carlson. He's just. [00:48:33] Speaker A: Or yeah. Tambourine Green. [00:48:35] Speaker B: I certainly don't like Tucker Tucker Carlson because he's, he's a proper grifter but he's. If you look at people at him the way that he's just suddenly turned on Donald Trump because he knows that there is a change in the. I think that there's a few of his right hand men that stand to. Who's the women. The women Republican. That is quite, quite. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Marjorie Taylor green. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Yes, yes. M.G. yes the one M.G. [00:49:00] Speaker A: M. Tambourine green, I call her. [00:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So she's now. She's now. So I think that she, they may have some knowledge that the Epstein fails is going to drop and he is going to. Everyman will turn on him. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, I hope so. I don't know. [00:49:16] Speaker B: I mean trying out the whole do I mean the people that are really have been just fell into the, the Trump wormhole. There is people that even if it was on the Epstein files that wouldn't, it wouldn't move them. It wouldn't. They would just say that it was fake news or an FBI double agent and stuff like that. [00:49:44] Speaker A: You know I think the thing that amazes me most about all of it Mark is the fact how much everyone bent over for it. That's what sts me, you know where it's the, you know the all the how. You know even the you know the judges and people, you know how Much people have actually bent over for that. I find that incredibly shocking. I mean you've got the hardcore base, the, the maggots and they seem to be like pretty low, low intelligence people. Like I always like the, the slugs. Slugs voting for salt. Salt. Salt. We want salt. That's how I, how I see them. But it's when you get like judges and all, you know, high end people and they all just sort of go huh? And go along with it. That's everyone talks about well, you know, all the checks and balances to make this, make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen. Every one of those checks and balances is just folded B. I think they're compromised. [00:50:42] Speaker B: My, my opinion of them is like when you look at all the different people so like for example just, just got away from maga. But in general there's usually. You can normally tell for example someone like Tommy Robinson who's obviously doing, he's doing it for money in my opinion. It's quite obvious that he doesn't actually care about anything he's talking about but he gets paid a lot of money to, to cause division so that's what he's. So I understand his game. I don't, I certainly don't like it. I think he's reprehensible but I can see that he's just a grifter to make some money. I don't know why I'm using the word grifter. When did that start using that word? But it's a good word. It explains what we're talking about. [00:51:18] Speaker A: It's. Well it is, it is what they are. I mean it is what they are. [00:51:22] Speaker B: You've got the second fans who are usually yeah, maybe good name for a band. Some of them are low intelligence and some of them are. They just, they want to believe that they're on the right side the history and now they've put so much effort into, you know they were the ones that were saving the children. They were the ones that were going to expose Hillary Clinton and all that. And now the fact that the guy that they thought was their hero, it's, it's hard for them to, to walk it back. They can't believe that they've been filled for this long and then you get other people who like a KE Starmer for example, I can't tell because the higher end people are probably blackmailed because they're on the Epstein list as well. So that would. A lot of the judges and stuff are probably involved. But yes, Starmer is A strange one because he's very robotic. It doesn't, doesn't, it doesn't seem to be clear to me as he, he's obviously not. He can't be more intelligence. He's, he doesn't, he surely doesn't need the money. What. All I can assume is they've got something on him. I don't know. Is he blackmailed? Why is he the worst, the worst prime minister of all time right now? He's. [00:52:32] Speaker A: Is it, is he. [00:52:33] Speaker B: I don't know how Israel football fans, right wing football thugs are not allowed to come at Bourbon. He's really upset by this. And it seems. [00:52:44] Speaker A: What is going on there, I actually don't know. I haven't paid much attention to that. You know, I'm terrible. I've kind of shut myself down on a lot of that. You say he's the worst prime minister of all time. Wow. I mean, I genuinely don't know that. I have no idea. [00:53:01] Speaker B: I'm talking for. From a popularity point of view. We can factually state that because he's. [00:53:06] Speaker A: Very unpopular, I can tell that everybody. [00:53:09] Speaker B: In the left despises him and everybody in the right. Everyone in the right thinks he's a communist. [00:53:15] Speaker A: And which is, which is all that, all that communist stuff, especially in America, that drives me absolutely crazy. Communist, it's just. Oh my God, it's just so infuriating. [00:53:28] Speaker B: That kind of stuff. [00:53:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think it was really funny when. What's that? Nazi Barbie? That's the pr. The press spokesman in the White House. I think when she stood up the other day and said that the Democrats were nothing more than a bunch of Hamas terrorists. And what was it she said? Hamas terrorists, communists and all that kind of thing. I think she might have actually, you know, overstepped the mark there then because she's basically taken half the country and calling them terrorists. And I think anybody with, anybody with even a spoonful of brain, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, simply knows that that is just not fucking true. And if they're gonna, if they're gonna go with that, that is the kind of thing that could, could, could destroy them. I keep saying that, but it never does. You always see the, oh, well, that's gonna be the thing that's gonna destroy them and then it isn't. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, it's unprecedented times with the. Many times that you think, well, that's got to be the, you know that it was Obama. Was the scandal of Obama having a selfie stick back in the day using a selfie stick. Chaos. It caused chaos in Fox News. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Really, really look it up. Look, I mean, I'm sick. I'm sick and tired of watching maggot idiots defending pedophilia. I can't, I just can't get with it. I think if, if you've got, if you've got to that point, if that's, if that's the, if that's the puddle you're standing in. Well, forget about it. [00:55:03] Speaker B: What they say is, it's not just, they just both sides, it, it's the Democrats too. So you never get, you'll never get. I've not seen anyone defending the Trump. They'll just say it's fake news or they'll say the other side are even worse. That's, that's the, the, the level of Internet now of discussion as. You're a hypocrite. No, you're a hypocrite because your side did that as well. [00:55:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I know it's, it's really impossible. I don't know. I, I speak to someone about this. I don't know how long it's going to take to fix all this. You know, imagine it. Imagine, Mark, if it ended tomorrow, they were gone and, and they started to try and fix it. I mean, would it take 10 years to, to roll back all, all that? I mean, God knows the social media. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Algorithms just spl up so many friends and families with fake news and stuff. Yeah, I don't think that there, I think the, the majority of it can't be fixed, sadly in our lifetime. Well, you can maybe build a better future for, for the other people, but I don't think that, but even, even. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Even politically in America, how long is it going to take to fix all that, all that bloody stuff? I mean, we're gonna chance, the chances are we, we might have reform in here in a couple of years running the show. Very likely, you know, that's just going to be the same gig. That is going to be the same gig. You know, that's terrifying that, that genuinely turns my blood to ice to think that that's going to happen. [00:56:33] Speaker B: You know, the, the only thing that you can. I suppose that the, the, the worst things happen, the worst that things that Trump does and the. Is, but because right now, still, still a few years before the election. So it's, it all depends on what happens in America. And then because obviously the whole thing has been make England great again, it's almost a mega instead of a Maga. [00:56:58] Speaker A: And it's, it's A. Oh, no, it's not happening. [00:57:01] Speaker B: Oh yeah, it's definitely when Musk is funding these people. So he's funding Tommy Robinson to, to Tommy. Tommy Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv Tommy. He's fun defending him to be more extreme than say, for us to make. For us look center and then towards the end for Robinson will say, actually, let's get behind Farage. And that's what Musk will do. They're all going to get behind Farage to be the next Prime Minister and that is quite terrifying. But the, the things are not going well in America for Trump. He's going a bit too far. [00:57:33] Speaker A: And no, I think, I think he, I think he could lose. I mean, he might do really bad in these midterms. He may well do, you know, I. [00:57:43] Speaker B: Mean, you've got planning and leaving that, that office because if he leaves that office, he'll probably get arrested. So he's just going to barricade himself in. And that's why he's got all, all the ICE agents going from state to state. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Just the brown shirts. [00:57:57] Speaker B: The brown shirts, but the brown shots aren't even trained, so they're like tear gassing themselves. And good. So, yeah, that is, that's a bit of good news that the ICE agents and I are arresting the police. You know, they're arresting. [00:58:12] Speaker A: I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at one point they're going to go in and I mean, they don't seem to go for the gangs that they talked about. They seem to be rushing into schools and zip tying children. I never see them going for these kind of Venezuelan drug gangs or anything, but they don't seem to do it because they know they get shot. Shot, you know, but people are going to fight back. You know, talk about. They go for the easy stuff. Somebody standing at a gas station who has a brown skin, they're all, oh, my God, you know, I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't know what I can do about it. [00:58:46] Speaker B: On the. Yeah, I miss the old days of the political scandals where it was just Ed Mil Band eating a bacon roll wrong. [00:58:54] Speaker A: And then I think we're. I think we're way beyond that, man. We're way past any. You know, nothing makes any sense to me anymore. I find it all just so I got to the point where I kind of switch it off a lot of the time because I just don't know what to. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do. With it. I keep a little eye on this and that, but I feel so out of control. And not personally, but just I feel out of control. I feel like everything's so out of control and everything is so extreme, you know, everything just feels so extreme. You know, bits of the left feel really extreme and crazy to me. And the right wing seems absolutely nuts. Where's. Where's the center ground? Well, the center ground's now. The center ground is now far right, you know. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Yes. Sorry, man. [00:59:48] Speaker A: I was gonna say I've gone from being. I've gone from being your average center left bedwear, right. I've gone from being that to a communist terrorist. And I haven't changed. I haven't changed. Something is swung. And now I am a communist terrorist instead of a sort of, you know, center left, let's be nice to people kind of type person, you know, I'm now a communist terrorist without ever doing anything, which is great. You know, when. How long is it going to take for that pendulum to come back to. To. To some form of normali. I don't know. [01:00:28] Speaker B: Well, I think everybody's trapped in their own little algorithm, so it could be a while. But I think on the positive side, I think that, you know, I've been. I've been on. I've been on this. We nice island for a week and people. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah, where the hell are you? [01:00:45] Speaker B: I'm in a secret location. I don't want to tell people because if I tell people, then I might know somebody that want to go for drinks. And I'm trying. I'm trying. I've got a publishing deadline, so I'm just. [01:00:54] Speaker A: It looks. It looks like. It looks like you're at your granny's house. [01:01:02] Speaker B: I'm renting a house from a lovely person who may be watching the show. So. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Shout outs. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Shout outs. But yeah, it's. Yeah, people are. In general, I think that what you forget is that the people that comment on these things, they are. They might be. They might. They sound extreme because they're extremely pissed off. And it becomes. Because the country's been managed so badly for a long time, it's just people have different ideas and who's to blame. But the majority of people are just. I think the silent majority aren't commenting and arguing on the Internet. They're just trying to go on with the lives. They're too busy to watch the news. And hopefully there can be some sort of alliance on the left whereby, you know, wait, that. I mean, that's why people always talk about Corbin's against Boris. But the thing that, that, that ruined that was the, the deal that Farage and Boris made, that alliance where they wouldn't, they wouldn't compete in certain areas. So if, if the. I mean, I don't know what the. Your party are doing just now, but the Greens have just overtaken the Tories this week, is having more members. [01:02:05] Speaker A: That is funny. [01:02:06] Speaker B: That is funny. That is funny. And so if there could be some sort of. Unfortunately, the left aren't renowned for alliances and keeping the peace and not arguing and infighting, but if there could be some sort of alliance here, like just put your to the side. Let's get. Well, let's not. Let's not. [01:02:23] Speaker A: In my opinion. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:26] Speaker A: In my opinion, this. There's always something wrong with the left. They always seem incredibly inept. They just seem to walk around missing open goals all the fucking time. I don't understand why even when you, when I look. When you still look back on, like radio and stuff, right, you've got all these. Right. There was all these right wing shock jock, you know, radio stations. Right. And yet there was nothing. There was nothing on the left that was. I don't, I don't mean shock jock, but there was nothing on the left to compare because they're so fucking good at that. They are so fucking good at getting on the airwaves and just fucking punching their message through. And yet the left don't seem to have that kind of thing at all. But to counteract that, I would also say you get a lot of great left wing comedians and when the right tried to do comedy, it's just. Or, well, I don't know what is a. Tell me some right wing music. I must review it. [01:03:20] Speaker B: I'm actually going to do it. I'm actually. There is. I'm going to do a show called the Right Wing has no Choice Tunes very soon. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Oh, that's a great idea. [01:03:29] Speaker B: I've noticed the. There's a pattern of, you know, the amount of times that, I don't know Donald Trump or like. Well, for example, Tommy Robinson's freedom of speech rally that they used a. They used a James song and James obviously had Dismiss. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, did they use Sit Down? I would imagine. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, of course they're not exactly going to be picking a. A classic like. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:55] Speaker B: From the back catalog, you know. [01:03:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:58] Speaker B: On a forgotten Gem. They're going to go for the most popular song. The populous will go for the popular songs. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Sit down next to me. Tommy Robinson. Sit down next to me. Right. Yeah. On. [01:04:12] Speaker B: And you know, Trump's been hit with lots of decisions, apart from actually ymca. They got paid, made money and decided just to. I think they performed. [01:04:21] Speaker A: I find that so strange. I mean, that's a gay anthem, isn't it? [01:04:25] Speaker B: It's a gay anthem, yes. It doesn't. [01:04:26] Speaker A: So why. Why the. Why the. Is he up there going this thing. What, to ymca? I don't. That doesn't make sense to me. That just feels. I don't know. Well, I don't think Trump likes music at all. Why? He doesn't listen to music of him. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Dancing with Elon Musk. And it looks like they've just literally landed on this planet. [01:04:52] Speaker A: Wow. [01:04:53] Speaker B: I think there's also a video with Trump with Rudy, Rudy, Juliana, Rudy Giuliani. [01:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:04] Speaker B: And Rudy's in drag. And Trump, this is 2001. I would advise you look that. That video up. But it's a real thing. But this is the problem. They've got AI coming in now. Now, at the moment, it's still quite obvious to me who's fairly. Because I'm quite online. I can. And I'm a video editor. I can usually tell. Let us tell people, signs. But how long before we. Right now, it's just kind of boomers, older people and younger people, and people that are maybe just are just trying to push an agenda, that are falling for it. But how long until AI is so good that we just don't know the difference? [01:05:42] Speaker A: Not long, I would say. I mean, the whole. I mean, I don't want to start going on about AI, but it does. That whole thing terrifies me, it seems. It doesn't seem like a force for good at the moment, unless some kind of rules come into play about, you know, not about what you can do, but about at least telling you. Telling people what you've done. You know, I've heard. I had music. [01:06:04] Speaker B: Sorry, you tried to do that. And Trump said no. So, yeah, Trump, no. So he's. But he's allowing AI but there is a chance the AI may come to bite him in the ass as well. So there's always that. That'll be funny for the arms, but he doesn't need AI can't really destroy him because he's doing things that are. It can only benefit him because he can just say, oh, it's AI. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Smirk. I think. I think. I mean, I'm going to. I'll put my ass on the line here. I don't think Trump has very long to live, really. I see a man that is really degenerating. He's turning to dust from the inside out. I would be surprised if he made Christmas. [01:06:46] Speaker B: It always ends with someone hanging from a lamp post or whatever. Because I don't, I think that, I think he's not, he's not a healthy man. And, and I know people are like you've seen videos of them sleeping and stuff but to be honest, that is some schedule to be doing at that age. It seems exhausting. I didn't even want to be a president in the first place. I don't know why people, I don't think people. [01:07:08] Speaker A: He's golfing his ass off as far as I can see but he's still. [01:07:12] Speaker B: Going to do these press conferences every day. I mean maybe he just likes that, but I just think he doesn't do them. [01:07:17] Speaker A: That Levitt woman does them, doesn't she? [01:07:20] Speaker B: I suppose. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Nancy Barbie with a cross that's burning her. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Well, if I was a millionaire I would, I would find another way to spend my time than be, than be a present. I think he's a. I think the reason he's present this time was to avoid jail in my opinion. I don't think he actually wanted to. To do any work but I don't know. I don't know. I just think that. Would you not like to just retire with your millions? Sounds nice. Maybe, maybe, maybe rate. Maybe be a drunk guy with an acoustic guitar just rather than having to do with the press. Oh, every day. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. I don't know what will happen but I don't, I don't, I don't see him. I. If he loses big in the midterms will probably kick him in the curb and replace him with somebody else. [01:08:09] Speaker B: The release the Epstein fails and bring in J.D. vance. And the last thing I want to say on Door Trump I want to get back to music before we go the last is south park shout outs to south park. Who have I've been watching any of the new season. [01:08:24] Speaker A: I've only seen clips and they're absolutely amazing. You know I just like thank you for doing that. Thank you. [01:08:32] Speaker B: They've went, they've went all out this time with the. And J.D. vance and somebody has to. [01:08:39] Speaker A: It has to be done. It has to be done. [01:08:42] Speaker B: And I think they're also. [01:08:43] Speaker A: It's not a popular show. The show is failing. Nobody watches it. Yeah right. [01:08:49] Speaker B: Yeah but that's, but that has a, that is quite a cultural impact because people like your, your Joe Rogans and your stand up comedians who have sort of switched to the right discussion Right wing talking points. They've always healed south park as freedom of speech. I know, it's kind of me talk about it. [01:09:08] Speaker A: Suck it up, buttercup. On that level, you know. So freedom of speech, right? Yeah. [01:09:14] Speaker B: Okay, back to music. The. We talked about human cries at only ever zero. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Let's not talk about that. [01:09:23] Speaker B: Well, I don't know. I'm just. Just a segue. [01:09:27] Speaker A: My favorite music. Oh, man, it changes all the. [01:09:34] Speaker B: Just a podcast tens. [01:09:36] Speaker A: I think there's. I think there's been 110 on the show and I can't remember how boring. I can't remember what it was. I honestly, I can't. I'll make out it was a tangerine dream. I. I don't know. I really don't know. I listen to the night because I'm doing this thing. I now listen to music, which I. Which is my favorite thing to do. Listening to music is my absolute favorite thing to do. I'm quite happy to sit at night, listen to music all night. That's what I do. But I have to listen to so much. I listen to so much stuff that I. I no longer have favorites. I have. I have very intense love affairs with stuff for a few weeks and then I have to move on, you know, So I got into Bebop Deluxe and Spirit. They were the things that I got into. Old band stuff, you know, Recently I had a really intense thing with that for a couple of weeks and then that's. It's not that I don't like anymore. It's just gone next. That's the way it has to be. [01:10:32] Speaker B: I enjoyed your review of the Beastie Boys recently. [01:10:36] Speaker A: I did them. Yeah. I love the Beastie Boys. I've always liked Dense. After the, after, after the first album, I didn't get that at all, as I explained in the. In the review. But yeah, I love the Beastie Boys. I think they're. You know what? I think I said it all. You know, they. You know. [01:10:57] Speaker B: I really enjoyed the audiobook. I listened to the audiobook when I was. I was on holiday. [01:11:00] Speaker A: I haven't done that yet. I'm going to listen to that golfing book. The golf book by Oliver Horowitz. His golfing book, An American Caddy in St. Andrews. Oh, no, neither do I. Well, I know I do. I'm from St. Andrews. But his book, American Caddy in St. Andrews, I'm going to read that now because I know that the perspective that it's coming from, it might be interesting and they'll probably have lots of people in it that I know. So. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I was confused about those. They said that it was a really good. It was a. They really going into detail about how they created the sound and stuff like that and all the different ideas. But they talk about this. There's this moment where they talk about how they slept in a castle in Ireland. And it wasn't. It. It was definitely Scotland that was there. I think it's the way they explained it because it was really. It was raining. It was a massive storm. I was working at the bar. But it was really good because it was Connect Festival it was called. And I was a perfect view of the stage and everybody just came up to get drinks before that came on. So you'd work for 20 minutes and then you would just get a beautiful view of the stage and Bjork play Beasty Boys. [01:12:08] Speaker A: Americans. Americans don't know the difference between Ireland and Scotland. They don't know the difference. [01:12:12] Speaker B: I know. I don't think you know it. [01:12:15] Speaker A: Are you from Ireland? You know, I've been asked that many times. You know, we're going to Edinburgh and then we're staying in Ireland that night. Yeah. No, you're not. They don't know the difference. It's all Celtic to them, you know, But. [01:12:32] Speaker B: And that will take us to a final topic. We'll go with the beat A band because beer band have came back and I would see. Of course, I would say the three pieces are 10 for me. That's probably my favorite. Well, I don't. I just think everything that be a band brought it. [01:12:45] Speaker A: Mark. You may think that I couldn't possibly comment. [01:12:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's obviously short bow. So you don't. You. You don't. You don't. You don't like it. [01:12:52] Speaker A: No, I do. I can comment. Right. What I would say about that is the day I heard the Patty Patty Sound ep. I heard it in London. It just been pressed. Steve had a copy. He put it on. It blew my. My mind. It really, really did. That's the. I think that's the best one of the three eps. But yeah, it's a. It's a great album collection. It's not really an album, is it? And I don't own it. [01:13:19] Speaker B: You've not got it? [01:13:21] Speaker A: I don't have a copy. I've actually got the eps, but I don't have the. Their collection. Yes. [01:13:30] Speaker B: Did you enjoy the reunion tour at the the Barras? [01:13:33] Speaker A: Oh, it's amazing. I didn't see. Were you there? I didn't see you. [01:13:35] Speaker B: I Was there, I was there. I, I remember I was going to, we did, we had a pre party and everything. [01:13:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I couldn't make, I couldn't make that because I was with my kids, Mark. I was with my, I was with my bears. So it would have been, it would have been an awkward thing to do. So. Yeah, but yeah, of course the gig, the gig was amazing. [01:13:54] Speaker B: I went to the front for the first four or five songs and then I had the, because I had the, this, this thing, the moon bit. [01:14:05] Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah. [01:14:06] Speaker B: I went to the back to the, the accessibility. But. So I was there for the, the second half. But it was amazing. It was so good to see, see Return and. [01:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I, I did a terrible, I did a terrible thing. I caused a kerfuffle at the worst possible moment, which was really, really bad. Just before the band went on stage, I was backstage because I wanted to film them. I wanted to film them going up the stairs and onto the stage on my floor. And I thought that that'll be an amazing bit of film. I have the first time and no, no one else is going to get it. So I'm standing there, right, and they're all milling about, custom, nervous. This is a huge fucking deal. And I put my phone down somewhere and it's dark and then I can't find my phone. And it's like five minutes they're playing that film, right? And I put my phone down and for some reason I went into a huge panic. Where's my phone? Where's my phone? And I'm running around and I'm causing absolute fucking chaos at the worst possible moment in the worst possible place. And I'm, I'm, I feel absolutely terrible about it. So I'm running around, I'm fucking, I'm going, my phone, my phone. Like in a real panic, my son and daughter and they're going, dad, come fucking, come fucking down. And I'm really like over panicking. It's not that big a deal. Steve comes up to me and he goes, he goes, for fuck sake, Pete, fucking stop it. I just sort of went. I suddenly realized what I was doing that in this moment it was completely inappropriate. Really bad. Really bad. So I just. [01:15:43] Speaker B: 21 years. [01:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm, I'm it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really Absolutely outrageous. Outrageous. I mean, really. I, I, when I think of it now, I die inside. I cringe. It was such a terrible thing to do. And then I found before and it was all right. But got back to the hotel later on and they were Steve's like, what. What you doing? You know. Yeah, terrible. Absolutely terrible. [01:16:11] Speaker B: You see that? Because Gary, who. Who works at the bars, I gave him a vinyl to give to Steve and so he took it backstage. Anyway, do you want to come back? I'm like, no, no, no, because I. I was worried that would just do something cringy and I knew it was an important one. [01:16:29] Speaker A: You could never do anything worse than what I did. [01:16:32] Speaker B: Yeah, no, absolutely. That. That was my. That was. That seems like the worst nightmare playing out that I might have did. So I'm glad. I'm glad I didn't because I had a couple of beers in me. Maybe I would have been trying to help you find the phone. [01:16:44] Speaker A: I've never done anything. I've never done anything like that. I've never done anything like that before. You know, I'm pretty sensitive to all of that kind of stuff. I understand people. I don't know what happened. I honestly, I think it's some sort of age brain fade. I don't know what happened. I don't know why I didn't just step back and stop worrying about it instead of going causing chaos in that moment. Really bad. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Anyway, it's an emotional environment. There's a lot of. There's a lot of the nerves was that this atmosphere in the bar is. And then you've got this access to this amazing bit of footage and. And scary to lose your phone. Glasgow. [01:17:23] Speaker A: I know I shouldn't have done that. Oh, I still wake up screaming. I wake up screaming at 4 in the morning. [01:17:33] Speaker B: Were they happy? Were they happy how it went? And did they only. [01:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah, there was a little party. But it was very. It was very muted because we're doing the gig the next day and then I just. I'd actually booked the same hotel as Steve by accident. Had no idea, so met him for a drink. But it was, you know, it was very. Everyone was happy and it was very. It wasn't. There wasn't a big like, let's. Yeah, that didn't happen, you know. [01:17:58] Speaker B: Yeah. But it was the start of a 14 day UK tour. [01:18:02] Speaker A: Exactly. I thought the gig was amazing. I thought the sound was incredible. Everything was crystal clear. And I thought the band were stellar. It was, it was. It's. I think it's the best I've ever seen them. Really. Yeah. [01:18:17] Speaker B: It's hard to compare because it was 20. I was. I thought I seen the last ever gig but I was corrected that Edinburgh was the last ever gig. I seen the bars last ever gig. So that was. [01:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I was in the day before. [01:18:30] Speaker B: Or something, maybe or something like that. [01:18:32] Speaker A: The one I remember is Shepherd's Bush Empire being incredibly good. But. Yeah, I mean, I think. I'm not sure where they are now. America, Japan? I don't know. [01:18:45] Speaker B: I think. Well, they're in America because they were in. I noticed they were in port. [01:18:48] Speaker A: Is that where they are? [01:18:49] Speaker B: Well, they were just. We're in Portland a couple of days ago. The same day. All right, that they were. They were arresting people dressed as frogs. Were arresting people in fancy dress. And I was like. And it was a bit about the. Like, we're in Seattle and Portland and stuff like that. So that was a couple of days ago. I don't know whether. Just now. I think they're going to Tokyo next year and stuff. Well, hopefully some festivals, maybe music. New music. That'd be good. Enjoying it. That would be good. [01:19:20] Speaker A: Who knows? [01:19:21] Speaker B: But they could just. Just play the. Hopefully just play a couple more because a few folk that missed out last time. So. Yeah, hopefully. [01:19:29] Speaker A: It seemed very. It seemed the whole thing was. Everything. Everything about it was very emotional, you know. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:35] Speaker A: Which is good. Which is good. [01:19:38] Speaker B: It's brilliant. It's. It's a theory comeback I didn't think would happen ever, because Ste was quite adamant it wouldn't happen. [01:19:45] Speaker A: But maybe it was always going to happen. No, I think that that comeback was always going to happen. Everything's just a matter of time. That's my belief, anyway. I'm not. I'm not saying that in any official capacity, but I always thought it would happen. I'm glad it did. [01:20:00] Speaker B: He said that. I remember when he was on the show sometimes he said that they want. It wanted to be the. The antithesis of Oasis. So maybe Oasis coming back in that. [01:20:12] Speaker A: Maybe it is. Maybe it did. I don't know. [01:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I've been. I've been. I've been watching an Instagram channel called Oasis Tribute Bands and I can't get enough. [01:20:25] Speaker A: Really. I must have a look at that. [01:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's good. It's good. I've done a video on the YouTube channel, if anyone wants my thoughts on that. But I'm enjoying it. It's a different. And. And it's taking more. It's made me think about all the. There's just something about being people, being Liam Galler. And I was talking to a friend the other day who. And I. I mentioned Michael Mathers, which is an Eminem tribute act. And it's just. There's just certain things that are a bit different from the typical tribute act when you've got to be sort of an icon and you've got to kind of get their. Their mind. [01:20:58] Speaker A: I've always. I've always shied away from tribute acts. It's never. I've never. I never understand the deal, you know, the deal is I pretend. You pretend. We all pretend. I don't get. I don't really get that as a. As a format for entertainment, really. [01:21:12] Speaker B: To my mind, wrestling, the wwe, I used to. That's less. That's the same thing, isn't it? It's like. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I pretend. You pretend. We all pretend. I get it, I get it. It's just not. I mean. I mean, it's absolutely fine. People get their entertainment from that, but for me, I just feel silly because I can't pretend. And to my mind, if you missed it, you missed it. That's it. You missed it. Yeah, missed it. I didn't. I have one of my favorite bands of the Ramones. I didn't see them. There's a million tribute bands. Well, I go, well, the. I missed it. So what if. [01:21:47] Speaker B: What if the. The tribute bands were to incorporate steel chairs? [01:21:53] Speaker A: Like steel chairs wrapped in. Wrapped in barbed wire? [01:21:59] Speaker B: Now we're talking. The tribute bands do wrestling tour. That sounds quite good. [01:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah, well, you know, you get. You know, you get. You get chess boxing. No, that's a real thing. Chess boxing, where they. They do a bit. They do a bit of chess to Queen's Night 4, then they bar each other, and then they do a bit of chess. [01:22:24] Speaker B: I know it's a Wu Tang Clan song, but I didn't know chess boxing. Chess boxing, yeah. [01:22:30] Speaker A: It's the real thing, I believe. [01:22:32] Speaker B: I think it's probably. I think they probably came up with a song and then somebody's been, why don't we actually do real chess boxing? [01:22:38] Speaker A: Nobody knows more about chess boxing than I know about chess boxing. [01:22:43] Speaker B: Right. How can they. How can people. Check out the podcast Facebook page. [01:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll give you all. I've got it right down this piece of paper right here. Yes. If you want to look, if you want to watch. What am I listening to and why you can. You can catch on Facebook just by joining my Facebook. Peter Rankin, Facebook, I will accept you. I accept all comers. In fact, you don't even need to be on my Facebook. You can just look for it. But if you want to watch old episodes of it, there's the old jock radio YouTube channel. Old jock radio YouTube channel. And that's got about, about 200 videos on it. From music to rants to comedy to sketches and 35 episodes of, you know, this of what am I listening to and why that stun under, you know, number one is just me holding up a Pink Floyd album and going, let's talk about this. You know, it's not. It has evolved. But yeah, the YouTube channel is a good one. Only have about 300 people subscribed to it. I keep waiting for it to explode. The I put on there is amazing. I keep waiting for that channel to explode, but it probably never will. Also, I mean, people don't really use Facebook now, do they? It's, that's, that's an old man's format apparently. I should get onto Instagram. Yes. What am I listening to and why? Get it on YouTube. Get on the old truck radio YouTube or Facebook. And the original old jock radio shows are somewhere available on podcast. I would just google that. You won't get them on Spotify and that's it. [01:24:17] Speaker B: You may actually hear the gyro babies getting destroyed on it. [01:24:22] Speaker A: But you know what? I don't know if I've got any. That's quite early on. We did always. But we did play your records all the way. You know, we always play, we always played your stuff when you brought it out. So yeah, you would hear the gyro babies on it. [01:24:36] Speaker B: Yes. Always appreciated as well. Well, so can I send you a vinyl and you can do a review? [01:24:42] Speaker A: Oh, all right then. Yeah. So basically it has to. It has to be a vinyl. That's the thing. [01:24:49] Speaker B: Way to destroy it. Way to destroy it. [01:24:51] Speaker A: I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that, Mark. I wouldn't do that because it's not going to be. It's not, it's not going to be. It's not going to be destroy me. It's not going to be destroy material. I only destroy things that I really think deserve it. And I very rarely destroy things I find good in everything. I mean, I always say this is not very good, but this is really good. I don't, I don't really destroy things that much, but I do take a pop of stuff. But you know, what the. Hey, why not? [01:25:17] Speaker B: Thanks to everybody who's tuned in and there's epi, done the right thing, has subscribed to old jock radio and looking forward to checking out some more reviews views. Thanks, Peter. So yeah, everyone do that. Go and follow. Subscribe to old jock radio and add Peter Rank. [01:25:31] Speaker A: Follow me on Facebook and you'll get follow me on Facebook and You get them as they come out. [01:25:36] Speaker B: Yes, you get it. You get it as it happens. Always a pleasure, Pete. [01:25:40] Speaker A: You too, man. Nice to see you, Mark. [01:25:42] Speaker B: And send me your address and I'll get our Dreams of Mental Vinyl sent out to you. And thank you very much, mate. Thanks to the patrons as well for supporting the show. At patreon.com you call that radio. The next show is a very special one. No idea when, no idea where, but I think it'll be on Thursday, because by Thursday I'll have my lighting and my real microphones back. So we'll do. We're going to upgrade it for Thursday. I hope everybody's very well and I'll see you soon. Bye.