'Life is Shite Most of the Time' w/ Christopher Macarthur Boyd

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You call that radio, as you call that radio's audio podcast. It's season four. It's episode 16. And today we've got an interview with the very funny Christopher MacArthur Boyd, a stand up comedian. You may have seen him on the telly, or you might have heard them as Frankie Boyle's co host. And here comes the guillotine. Brilliant podcast, the two of them. Plus Susan McCabe is top tier podcasting. So definitely check that out after you've listened to the show. I don't. Here comes the Gullitan's actually got a warning, like a parental guidance warning type thing. I don't know if this needs it or not. I'm too far out the loop. But I did get a wee bit dark because we started talking about wrestling and stuff like that and Chris Benoit and things like that. So I thought what we'd do is we'd start the show with my review of the Mister McMahon Netflix series, if you're interested. It's just a wee ten minute talk about what I thought about the documentary and me also sharing the story of the time I get booed by about 800 wrestling fans. And also another time where I get clotheslined out the ring by Gradle, the wrestler Grado and the actor gradle and the tv personality gradle. So if you want to hear that, then that's coming up right now. If you don't want to hear that, then just skip ten minutes as always. Before we start, there's no sponsors, there's no adverts, there's no funding because we are powered purely by our patrons. Thank you to everyone who supports us on [email protected]. you callthatradio. Zero adverts on the show because of you. But one little advert. Actually, it's our fifth birthday party this Saturday, the 5 October. So if you want to come along to see us celebrate five years of this podcast, five years of hosting events under you call that radio, then do come along. We've got jinx Lennon flying all the way over from Ireland. 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Fast forward ten minutes if you just want to get to interview. Otherwise, this is my review of the Mister McMahon Netflix documentary, live on. You call that radio? And now we are going to discuss Vince McMahon, namely the Mister McMahon documentary on Netflix, which is about the billionaire super villain Vince McMahon of WWE WWF fame. And the first thing you notice when you watch this documentary is his face. Look at his face. What has he done to his face? That's the first thing you notice. Now moving on to the actual documentary. It tells a story of a young man who took over his father's local wrestling company and turned it into an international franchise, leaving a trail of dead wrestlers, lawsuits and alleged assaults in his wake. And I say alleged because I don't want Vince to sue. You call that radio? Because he would win. Arold won his franchise. Suing my franchise. 3.6 thousand YouTube subscribers can't be wrong. He always wins. And if he thinks he's not going to win, then he just pays millions of pounds or dollars in out of court settlements. In fact, the only case he lost was when the World Wildlife Fund made him change the name of his company from WWF to WWE. I'm sure he shot a lot of pandas that day. He looks like the kind of guy that would uppercut a giraffe. I mean, look at his face. Look at Vince McMahon's face. Wrestling fans, there wasn't much new information. And as someone who's not really watched wrestling since I was about twelve, I knew about 95% of it. And that's not to say I'm not a wrestler, because I am. People always ask me, were you not a wrestler? Yes, I was a wrestler. Otherwise I wouldn't have this. Shout outs to Lucille Libra. Big up, Galavision. So I'm a wrestler. I'm as much as a wrestler as Donald Trump is. People can be talking about who Donald Trump was in the wrestling. I get booed by everyone. The wrestling. Donald Trump was the good guy. I get booed. Which makes me more of a wrestler than Donald Trump. And I'm happy to meet Donald Trump at WrestleMania, whatever number is coming up. And I will not fuck at you. I will not fuck it with Donald Trump in a wrestling ring. That line I actually just said there. I haven't watched wrestling since I was about twelve. That got me booed on stage in front of an ICW crowd. And I was actually trying to give a compliment. I was trying to give a compliment, as in, I stopped watching wrestling when I was twelve, but ICW had the kind of underground ECW vibe that I really liked. They used the gyro baby song overhead in the west end as an entrance theme to one of the wrestlers. And then I was invited to go to the classic grand. It was sold out. Classic grand, probably, I'm guessing 700 people there. So we performed the Jeremy Kyle song, which I think was the official theme song of the annual square goal. And then I said I stopped watching wrestling when I was twelve. And before I finished my sentence, everyone started booing me. And I was like, oh, for fuck's sake, man. But then as a fan of wrestling, the theatre of it all, I realized that I was the bad guy. I was a heel, I was getting booed. So then I tried to jump into the ring and I think I fell over the rope. Not as easy as it looks. And then everyone's kind of laughing at me and I just, you know, I started building the gyros and song and I'm just going, get a job, get a job, get a job, get a real job, get a mortgage. No, just in that. And I can remember there was someday where screen, one of those like screens that you type it in and you can read the screen and it said that, that we sucked, which is a very americanized slagging, but as an americanized sport. And then I think actually the only time I've ever did the mic drop, which I apologized for, by the way, because you just, like, I think Billy Cutwood said, make some noise for the gyro babies. And I just dropped the mic and walked off stage and make it booed. Boo. Boo. So I had to drop the mic. It was just natural. I didn't mean to do it. It just felt the right thing to do because I was in the Ric flair mode or something. And then also, yes, I also wrestled again. It was a, it was a family day for the Clutha, and I don't think it was planned. Someone could correct me in the comments. I don't exactly know how this happened, but the yellow movement, we were all dressed in yellow and we all attacked Gradle and I don't think Gradle knew that was going to happen. I think he was late coming from work, if I remember rightly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it is that Dallas, to get Gradle back for being late, sent a bunch of the yellow movement in to attack him. And Gradle just started clotheslining cunts and I think he punched me in the rib or something and flung me out the ring. I remember getting actually a sore rib. So people that say it's fake, come on. It was seir, the one they missed in the book. But it's not all about me. It's about Vince McMahon. If you're already a wrestling fan, there's nothing new information. If you're not a wrestling fan, it's a really good documentary. Or if you're maybe somebody that just hasn't been keeping up to date over the last 20 years, you maybe watched this when you were, you were twelve and then you stopped watching it then there's a lot of stuff's happened. Chris Benoit had an incident. It was a Chris Benoit incident. I don't want to give any spoilers, no spoilers here, but Chris Benoit had an incident. It was a Chris Benoit incident. There was an Owen Hart incident. Multiple lawsuits, multiple allegations. Not many wrestlers make it past 40. They are more rock and roll than rock and roll. The pain they put themselves through as a form of entertainment is crazy. And then you've got the sex, drugs and alcohol that goes with everyone's on painkillers. Because unlike musicians, they actually have to go to the gym the next day. They usually have to drive for about 7 hours, go to the gym and then get beaten up again. So everybody's in pain, everyone's on painkillers. Probably coke, definitely steroids. And for me the storylines are funny. I have a great deal of respect for the athletic ability. I don't really watch the wrestling as such. But what I do like is the shoot interviews, which is a genre on YouTube. You can look up shoot interviews and that's when ex wrestlers bitch about other ex wrestlers. And it's great because you watch their side of the story and then you watch the other guy talking about the other guy and you try to figure out who's, who's the lion bastard and who's alright. And as they said, multiple, multiple teams. There is a very thin line between reality and the theater. The reality gets blood all the time, which they said multiple, multiple times. But check it out, man. If you've never heard any of these stories before. It's a wild and crazy story from the eighties, from the right through. I will not fuck it at Donald Trump in a wrestling ring. I get booed. He didn't get booed. I get booed, which means I'm better and also got clothesline, big radio, and hurt my rib. So I'm a wrestler and I will not fuck it at Donald Trump at Wrestlemania. Nay bother. Give me a shout. But the most interesting thing about the Netflix documentary for me was, if you are going to watch it, watch it with us in mind in the context of Netflix have bought the rights to Monday Night Raw, which will be streaming every Monday on Netflix from January onwards. So they've spent a lot of money on this. So the documentary is basically an advert for the WWE, but they kind of throw Vince McMahon under the bus a bit, but not that much considering all the things he's done. It's not that much. Nobody really, none of the wrestlers really say anything bad about him, really, because they're scared that Vince McMahon could come back. Because in the world of wrestling, Vince McMahon could come back. Even at this stage, you know, he's cancelled. But the world of wrestling is not really cancelled. And the more unpopular you get, the more heat you get. The more you get booed. The more you get booed, the more money you make. And there's a part of me that thinks Vince McMahon's inning this, because I'm sure he wants his billion dollar corporation. He sold all his shares. Apparently, he's got no say in it anymore. It's his daughter and Triple H. They've taken it to the new era. There's a part of me that thinks he went, you know what? In order to save the company, just tell my story and throw me under the bus a bit. Not too much, but throw me under the bus a wee bit. Let this be a success. Let let wwe be a success. And then I'll come back at Wrestlemania and get booed. And that could happen. Do you think that could happen? Have you watched the documentary? What did you think? I'd love to hear your opinion if you're a wrestling fan, but I'd also especially like to hear your opinion if you don't know anything about wrestling and you've watched it for the first time, because I would imagine if you didn't know any of these stories, you'd be watching that going, what the fuck is this, man? You should call that radio. Let me know what you think in the comments. This is where most people say, like, subscribe and join my Patreon, but that's something that I would never do. Bye. As you call that radio, tv, we are live with Christopher Macarthur Boyd. When you call that radio, I think we can go live to him straight away. He's ready. CMB in the house. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Yo, what's happening, mate? [00:15:22] Speaker A: No, let me. Thank you very much for joining me on what has turned out to be the sunniest day of the year. [00:15:27] Speaker B: It's beautiful, man. Did you get out? [00:15:30] Speaker A: I got out for an hour. I got out for an hour. My cupboard for an hour. And it was great and it felt. I don't know if you can feel it the other. It's a historic day because it's ten years since the referendum. Could you feel the history? [00:15:45] Speaker B: I didn't really feel history, I felt the sun. [00:15:48] Speaker A: You felt the sun? [00:15:49] Speaker B: It felt dead today. Felt. I took loads of pictures today. I was Easter house train station, and the sun was setting. Kind of golden hour, like about an hour ago still. But now you look at the window and everything's kind of glowing orange is like propagating. But I was looking the direction. Feasting train station, down to Garho train station. And the rails, the sun was hitting the rails and it was like. I don't know what they are, if it's pollen or flies, but something was floating in the air and I was. I was just like, cracking into it. I forgot that. I forgot that ten years ago, the country shut itself. It was like a beautiful moment. [00:16:25] Speaker A: Yeah, well, Glasgow didn't shut itself, just. Just to clarify. But the rest of the country absolutely shattered. But, I mean, it was maybe the right decision because things have went so smoothly since, haven't they? It's been a. We've had a really good run since. [00:16:41] Speaker B: That time ten last decade. [00:16:45] Speaker A: Really, really positive political decade of greatness that's been happening. And I. So thanks for just going to a beer garden, because, you know, I did. I was going to message, should we just patch this and go? [00:16:57] Speaker B: Beer garden to go to Westbrook and just get. Absolutely. [00:17:02] Speaker A: By the way, just for anyone thinking about going to a beard garden, it's too late, you've missed it. That was the last. The sunshine. You can get up your garden next year. [00:17:13] Speaker B: I hate beer gardens, man. I hate beer gardens full of wasps. If you think you can drink a cider and have a wasp in your glass, drink that with you, you're wrong. [00:17:27] Speaker A: My partner, fife, Joe, she says she can't believe, when she moved to Glasgow, how our definition of what a beer garden is, you know, just like, I'm in the beer garden. Come and meet me in the beer garden. And it's just a chair. Yeah, it's a cheer inside. [00:17:47] Speaker B: It's a car park with some. Some garden furniture in it. Really? [00:17:51] Speaker A: On a busy. On a busy motorway. Well, maybe we can make this look a kind of beard garden vibe. Maybe I could get a plant. Let me get a plant. Pot, two cent plan. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Part it up, man. Plan. Part it up. Try to look about, see if I've got anything. No, they have anything. That's kind of beer gardening. Not really. No match here. No much a beer garden person. Oh, wow, look at that. What's that? [00:18:19] Speaker A: Hey, I can't claim to be a forest. [00:18:27] Speaker B: No, I don't think you can. [00:18:30] Speaker A: I don't know. It's jaggy. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Aye, it looks like it's the result of the japanese artiflower range. [00:18:37] Speaker A: That may not be. I mean, it's kind of like a disco ball. Acorn. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Uh huh. A pine cone. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Well, thanks for joining me in the last beer garden of the year. I'm shaking it because I've got one more festival this weekend and this is a bad woman. Why are we getting a nice 22 degrees but hot on Ibiza? Parts of Scotland. [00:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:57] Speaker A: And I'm about to go on a five hour drive to the back end, the East Midlands, to play a festival. And it's got, it's got. There's a storm coming. Obviously. There's a storm coming. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. This is the type of weather where, I mean, the sky's electric blue and everything's glowing and there's not a cloud in the sky today. It's beautiful. And that means thunder and lightning is just the cloud. [00:19:20] Speaker A: 100%. [00:19:21] Speaker B: 100%. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Scary times. [00:19:23] Speaker B: You could scare times. [00:19:28] Speaker A: CNB is joining us today because he's got a massive tour on. And I like the way that you've not updated the me once. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Not just. [00:19:39] Speaker A: To do by the end of the year. I do that as well, man. So it's more full and it makes. [00:19:46] Speaker B: You look busier than you've got more on when you're like, I'm in Newcastle in May, which was happened already. [00:19:54] Speaker A: And also what I did was recently I've actually. I've just changed it. I can't find it. But what I did was, for our tour this summer is I started scoring them as well. Doing them. [00:20:03] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:20:05] Speaker A: And, well, I had to because two of them sold it, man. I'm letting that go. [00:20:09] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:20:12] Speaker A: I don't get that many soldier gigs, man. So when that soldier signed rated poster. [00:20:18] Speaker B: That says Inverness sold out and I've got leads. Sold out. And I'm like, fucking yes, man. Sold out leads. What a world we're living in. One of the Dundeezers sold it as well. [00:20:30] Speaker A: Oh, well done. [00:20:30] Speaker B: Tickets left for the second Dundee show. [00:20:32] Speaker A: And my mate snook who actually shows the snook who actually signed up as a YouTube member. I came up as a notification there. But yes, nook said he's seen you in Cumberland Friday. He said, yeah, what was Cumbernauldo? [00:20:46] Speaker B: But combinator's red hot, man. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Always has been, always will be. Um, their shopping center created a dark energy in that town and if you're an artist there, you can harness it. I used to go, I used to get the bus. I used to have a girlfriend in San Andrews and I would always get the, I think the x 25 or something, the mega bus, and it would go past Cumberland. And I honestly, I didn't have a smartphone. I was quite a late adopter, the smartphone. So I would always just look at a Cumbernauld shop center and what's that place that's going to close down at some. And refinery. Grangemouth. I would look at commonal job center and Grangemouth refinery and go, what, what are these places? These are just mad places. Common know jobs that has like a mad soviet attempt to etcetera or something. [00:21:39] Speaker A: Say they actually just get again, in trouble the other day because there's a charity that works there and I was doing to do some festival stuff and here is here. And this is like. I think this is from. It's like, I. I don't want to get done with the copyright, but it's like valley was already. Welcome to Cumber Nold, a town for the future. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:22:07] Speaker A: It was obviously. No, it's. But this was back in those days, everybody wanted to go to Cumberland because it was a talent of the future. [00:22:16] Speaker B: It was a talent. [00:22:18] Speaker A: We're trying to find the, this, the, this SOP and center thing. [00:22:23] Speaker B: I've got a great book called Brawl Concrete that is a kind of history brutalist architecture and glidescott. And I highly recommend it. If you're into or that push. I really like it. I just took a picture of the Scott, you know, scottish ambulance, centerless in town next to Kirkheadden station. It's like a classic. It's beautiful. I look at that, man. That's the brutalist thing I've ever seen in my life. Why? [00:22:46] Speaker A: Was it supermarket? Yes. So what they did was for people don't know. Cumberland just got, they just decided to put everything in the same hang. So, yeah, I've got, so I was there in the fifth floor the other day a couple months ago and I went out of this sort of balcony. I don't know what you'd call it. Yeah, I was trying to take pictures and then I got this crazy guy came in. You get no permission to do that. And he says, delete it, delete it. And I was like, okay, well, send the cloud. So I got into trouble. But I've still got the footage, obviously. But yeah, next door was the library and the building I was in was the old town town hall. And I think that's getting, that's getting renovated by mugstock into some sort of, hopefully a music venue at some point. [00:23:31] Speaker B: But. [00:23:32] Speaker A: So the town halls in the fifth floor next door to the library. [00:23:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:36] Speaker A: And it seemed like a good idea at the time. I know it wins like the worst town in the world all the time. It's about harsh and cumberland people. [00:23:44] Speaker B: It's a harsh town. [00:23:45] Speaker A: Yes. People come from all around the world to see the sights of Cumberland. What is going back to the tour. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Cum laude with class Mandy. [00:23:56] Speaker A: So come on. It's good. You guys used to be, it used. [00:24:00] Speaker B: To be a theater in common. All coming old theater. And it was like a really rundown. It was amazing. It was amazing. It was community funders, you know, it's brilliant. Community funding needs to be gigs there. Used to do stand up there and it was that I gave a folk here and he just rocked up where staff, a wooden staff. I don't know if he had shoes on. And he stuck the staff on the roof of the door, went in, done half an hour stand up, came out, grabbed the staff, walked off again. I was like, this guy's fucking mental. And, and that was like a wee cottage. But now they've got this place, lantern house, which is I think in a community focus and it's like a high school, secondary school, fucking cinema theater and like a community space and it's brilliant. I think more comedians should play it. [00:24:44] Speaker A: What, you did the tolbooth as well? That's quite a cool venue. [00:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah, man. I never been there before. I never been in toll before. It was. That was on Saturday. So it was Cumberland Sterling and, and yeah, it used to be a jail. I think the rest. The dressing rooms shaped still shaped like a jail. Unfortunately. I was trying to take a shite and they've kept the ability for people. So I was, I was using the bathroom in my. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Are they going to see the capture? [00:25:11] Speaker B: She kept my shape and a glass jar. [00:25:14] Speaker A: A historic day for Stirling. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Because we call the boys. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Don't force that. We need that. [00:25:23] Speaker B: My opening act put his cousins like a jail. That was like. You had to have constant access to be able to see in. And my pal took a picture of me. Then I show you over the top of the toilet cubicle. So highly recommend that to any comedians who want people know their shouting peace. [00:25:40] Speaker A: For William the Mora. That's a beautiful place. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:25:44] Speaker A: Are you driving up? [00:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a Paul Roscoe. He's opening for me and basically the whole tour. No, Aberdeen and Odin d because he's been three places. But, um, Mike's gonna. We're gonna go on a wee tour. So it's Fort William, Portree, Inverness, gala Shields. Inverness to gala Shields is an absolutely mad bit of book and I have so much respect for beyond presents, an absolutely fantastic booking organization for stand up in the Highlands and islands of Scotland. Do they do brilliant work. However, I don't know who decided they would be, which is basically fucking thurzzo in Newcastle. Um. It's just a mad. But I don't. That's like a six hour drive. [00:26:25] Speaker A: It's like, so long, macarons. It's brilliant, though. He played. [00:26:31] Speaker B: He played amazing. Yeah. I opened for Susan McCabe there last year. She had me. Basically, my last year of my life was just opening for Susan McCabe and opening for Frankie Boyle on tour. So. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Comedian. To the best. [00:26:44] Speaker B: Really. Yeah, to the best in Scotland. [00:26:46] Speaker A: And for people that don't know the here comes the Guillotine podcast, which is the three of you. That's absolutely brilliant, man. I'm loving it. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Thank you so much. [00:26:58] Speaker A: And you're out one through them. There's quite a lot of them, though, because I didn't. Yeah, a couple weeks and I was surprised at how many episodes you've done because I started listening at the start and then I've been catching up over the last week. So is it. So I get the fact that you're just kind of doing it, like, in between shows or what's happening. [00:27:14] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, I mean, Frankie and Susie are so busy with their careers. Susie's like one of the most in demand comedians in the country. And Frankie. Frankie's Frankie. He's like a national treasure. So it's just whenever they are no at it, we can just nip into the studio and record a few. It's been great. It was supposed to be just them too. They were going to just do a podcast about assassinations. Sirhan Sirhan and Jack Ruby and all the boys are the other good boys over there who kept shooting people and being shot. It was supposed to be about that, but then they realized, oh, they did loads of research. So we'll just get CNBN and talk shite for an hour every week and that's much better. [00:27:57] Speaker A: And how, how did, how did that come? How did you end up meeting Frankie Boyle and Susan McCabe and stuff? Just, just from performance, I guess. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Just the great hang about. The scottish comedy circuit is like, there's no that many places to do it. So if you are the best comedian in the country like Frankie, you're going to end up on a lineup with the worst comedian. Yeah. Like the stand comedy club. Like, I hate music. Maybe slightly different because like, in music, you know, your openers tends to get decided by promoters and stuff done to it. But in comedy, you often find yourself on lineups with literally the best because they need places to try out new stuff. So I, I met, I'm doing a charity gig for Trussell Trust. I think it was a homeless organization in Edinburgh. It was like a fundraiser. So I met him ages and ages and ages. Ages ago. I remember because it was the day after, I don't remember that time a naked guy fell at the window. The central Hotel at Central Station. Remember that? [00:29:00] Speaker A: I vaguely remember this. [00:29:02] Speaker B: A guy fell out. Don't get the best. Sorry. Getting the cup. No, mate. No, no, no. He was not right. [00:29:09] Speaker A: He died. [00:29:11] Speaker B: He was potentially the least all right guy because he was dangling upside down and he landed as he dying, but terrible. But I mean, that was the, that was the topic of conversation the first time I met him. Um, and fairly say we had a good laugh about it. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And uh, well, it's some small talk to make in it, you know, I mean, better than gonna. Oh, it's hotter than Ibiza in September. It's something to. Something to talk about it. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Did you see that naked guy? [00:29:45] Speaker A: Did you see the. [00:29:48] Speaker B: Listen, it's an absolute, obviously, if any of that guy's family's out there and they're worried that, hey, don't make fun of that guy. But I think even if it was your family, you would have to admit it was quite funny. [00:29:58] Speaker A: And from, from there, you've been touring with Frankie for the last year. How long has the podcast been going for? [00:30:07] Speaker B: We started recording a year ago, but I hank, it only started coming out in January, so I snow been that long coming out, but it feels like we've done it for ages because we kind of bulk recorded that we're done pilots and stuff. I guess a good idea podcast is to put a. Make a couple episodes and then nobody hear it just there. And then listen back your cell and go, oh, that's shite. [00:30:32] Speaker A: I don't. [00:30:32] Speaker B: I will never say that again. [00:30:34] Speaker A: I don't release. I make loads of podcasts, just myself, and I never release them because they're the good ones. I just keep them. Stole that from retirement. I'm like, that's way too good to go on for public, man. That's. [00:30:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's wasted. Wasted that content. [00:30:48] Speaker A: And so. So with regards to you, because now you. I noticed when I was in the promo for this, because obviously you were on the show four year ago. Four and a half year ago. It was actually. Yeah, April 2020, which was. I. [00:31:02] Speaker B: That was a. That was a. An interesting time because I did. [00:31:08] Speaker A: I double checked it. I was like, how long was that been? It must have been a couple of years now. And it was like, oh, fucked. It's four and a half year. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Four. I know. I mean, I remember I was one of the first people in Scotland. I had Covid, like, before. And I remember I had to phone up the comedy festival in March and go, I'm really sorry. I don't think I can do my show. I'm coughing up my lungs. I was, like, in the street fucking. I still smoke. Another time, I was just coughing my lungs open in the gutter. And I thought I should probably. I'd heard about COVID a wee bit, been in the news, and I was like, I probably shouldn't do this. So. [00:31:44] Speaker A: Yeah. You didn't know? There was a bit of a flu going? A bit. There's a bit of a bug going. A bit. Yeah, I got it. I got it for the first time in May. I got it for this year. This year. I was just like, I do believe everyone. I believe everyone's stories. I always believe stories. I mean, fucking hell. It's four and a half year for me. But I eventually got it, man, and absolutely destroyed me, man. [00:32:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:10] Speaker A: I had to do a gig about a week after it, and I was like, two days before the gig, I was like, I don't care. I've never canceled a gig before as well. So if I cancel the gig, I'm canceling not only the gig, but my band. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Your streak? [00:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I banned. I'm just canceled music. I'll just quit music forever. There's no way I'm coming back for that. Just quit or. But, yeah, it was bad. It was bad. But luckily it's not as bad as it was back in April 2020. We've moved on from there. [00:32:39] Speaker B: But I remember that. That was good. That was a good interview. I liked it. [00:32:43] Speaker A: I've not watched. I've never watched any of the interviews back, but I enjoyed, always enjoy speaking to you. So I think it would have flown okay. Because obviously, especially in those times, was like some people just when they stare at the camera, they just don't talk. And that can be a bit awkward. It can be. It can be equally awkward by the same names. Were promoting. I was going to say. I was going to. What I would like to do is because they were starting to repeat guests every so often, because obviously four and a half years has passed, people have given you shit to promote. So I was going anyway, maybe get some clips of the old one that we could have watched together or used it as promo, but I couldn't be asked, really. It seemed like a lot of work. [00:33:22] Speaker B: It seems like something you would get somebody else today for you. [00:33:25] Speaker A: So I don't have a budget for it, but I would love to. I'd love to have a team. You always hear me saying we, we, as if I was talking about what you call out radio. There's a big team by the. We've got new plans. We've got. We've got lots of stuff coming up next month. And I'm just lying. It's just me all the time. But I was thinking some other backup plan was to promote that show was. Right. Okay. He's got a podcast with Frankie Boyle. And I mentioned it once, I didn't tag him written, but are you starting to get that stage now where people try to promote you? Obviously, they've got these little independent venues. Are they starting to see hangs like Frankie Boyle's pal? [00:34:00] Speaker B: Eh? I mean, I try and avoid that just because I think it's. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Of course you. Of course you don't want it. Of course you want to do it. But you like wrestling. You like wrestling, though, didn't you? [00:34:10] Speaker B: I love wrestling, man. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Right. Well, back in the day, I remember going to the Irving Magnum. It must have been about eight or nine year old, and it was a big poster and it was the british bulldog, which that team, whatever it was, whatever age I was when British Bulldog was in his prime. [00:34:24] Speaker B: Teddy boy Smith. Did he have the dreads? [00:34:27] Speaker A: Davey boy Smith, I. Teddy's his son. [00:34:30] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah, Davey boy Smith. But it was. No, the thing was, this is the beauty of it, he wasn't even playing. It was a. It was a poster of the British Bulldog and went, the british bulldogs coming, irving. Wow. But then actually, you look closer. It was the British Bulldogs wee cousin and it was actually bit. The week husband was actually the dynamite kid who was actually, in hindsight, was a legend, but I didn't know anything about it. [00:34:53] Speaker B: So, you know, the dynamic, it's fantastic. He was a big influence on Chris Benoit. The less said about him, the better. But cracking wrestler. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Do you buy into the Chris Benmore conspiracy theories? What, these. These innocent. Just the Chris, Ben. I was innocent, but there's a lot. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Of people say that at times, that guy, if you. I mean, there's a compilation and it's every time he gets slapped in the head with a chair on his career. And he wasn't. You know, you're supposed to kind of put your hands up the last minute to kind of catch the cherub you. But, um, he wasn't putting his hands up. His. He. His arms were a kimball man and he was just taking them full force. His big move was the diving head, but he would just jump headfirst onto the ground and he would miss a lot. [00:35:53] Speaker A: So just for people that don't actually know what we're talking about, Chris Benoit, like, um, there was an incident. There was. [00:36:03] Speaker B: There was an incident. [00:36:09] Speaker A: Yeah, Chris Benwell. It was an incident. Everyone says he was. Everyone says he was a dead nice guy. Got some head injury. He got a bit of a head injury and then there was an incident and some people are saying that it was a Vince McMahon. It was all set up. Vince McMahon took him out. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Do you think it was interesting at the time? Because I don't know if you're watching at the time, 2004, 2005. But Vince McMahon had a storyline that exact time, which was Vince McMahon was in a limo and the limo blew up. And then that weekend, Chris Benoit had an incident and that really took. And then Vince McMahon had to come and go. It was a storyline. This is all fake. Sorry. Yeah, this is. This is actually real. [00:36:56] Speaker A: That's faking. This is real. And a lot of people did think it was a one, two, buckle my shoe. It was all part of the act, but it wasn't. Stuart's asking me to tell you. I'm not going to tell about it. Just do that in your own time. Chris, Ben, my conspiracy theories. I'm not going down. [00:37:09] Speaker B: There was an incident. [00:37:11] Speaker A: Just trust me. There was definitely an incident. You can check. [00:37:15] Speaker B: There was a series of unfortunate incidents. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Of unfortunate incidents. Yeah, we're not gonna. I don't wanna go too much because men. But I would like to ask you about Vince McMahon, because obviously, as the kind of guy that would have set Crispin up, I just can't see what if we had to gain on it, because obviously come. They got a lot of flak for that and stay. But Vince McMahon's Netflix documentary is finally coming up next week. 20. [00:37:40] Speaker B: Yeah, man. I mean, I just hope that the hang is. Wrestlers love him. Like, as a video there. And it was Mick Foley who was mankind. This is in 2024. Mick Foley met who was mankind? And Rikishi. And they're just going, he was a complicated guy. And you're like, Rikishi, know that. I expect Rikishi to have the most, you know, the most complex understanding as sexual assault, given that his big finishing move was robbing his ass on people's faces. They come. The inventor, the jumping ass attack. Right? [00:38:26] Speaker A: Okay. We're gonna be voice works in a minute, but I'll show you stink face first. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Get this thing face. I just remember getting WWE smackdown. Here comes a pain for the PlayStation two. Okay. Being so impressed because the graphics rendered Rikishi's arcellular light in such detail that was impossible in the PlayStation one. You know, obviously, we all dreamed of it, right? [00:38:53] Speaker A: That's a stink face. [00:38:54] Speaker B: That's the stinky face. [00:39:00] Speaker A: So he's, like, not convinced that Vince McMahon has done anything untoward with. But this guy did that move at least once. Once, about ten years, sometimes multiple times. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So I don't think he would this. But then wrestlers love him because he made. I made them all millionaires. [00:39:24] Speaker A: More millionaires. And, yeah, it's. Some of them became, if you haven't. [00:39:29] Speaker B: If you listen to this and you haven't looked into Vince McMahon's many of the crimes of. Up there with Chris Benoit in terms of incidents, you know, really terrible. [00:39:41] Speaker A: It just said it was just a bad day, but everything had been. [00:39:46] Speaker B: If you want to see a good interview, Paul Linden and Brian Kendrick, who were a tag team, they were the hooligans. In 2006, they done a shoot interview, which kind of like out of character interview where they sit down and tell stories about being. In 2003, 2002, they were Chris Ben wise, traveling partner, and they would go. They were kind of seen as, like, new guys. So they went, hang about with Chris and he'll kind of show you the ropes. And the stories about him are fucking mental. Like, he would try and convince him to, like, seduce waitresses, and then he would go in the hotel cupboard and just watch them. He wanted to, like, watch them. He was a Hollywood guy, as well. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Okay. So I got the impression that everyone said he was a sound guy. He took one baby. He literally. I was the video footage of him wrestling the week before, and it must have been some sort of autopilot muscle memory, but you wouldn't know anything. Was that wrong? Women. And obviously, there was an incident, and then. Then he was gone. But, yeah, I thought. I thought it was always been a bit of fun, so. It's all right. [00:40:58] Speaker B: I think he was just an odd wee guy who. I mean, do you know when you hear about, like, what Jake Lamore was like towards the end, his life, like, Doug Stanhope has a great routine where he visits raging boo, he visits the raging Boj LaMotta, and he's like, you know, he's not there because, yeah, it's interesting that we kind of ascribe such wisdom sometimes to, like, boxers and stuff, because obviously, boxing is an art form and, you know, it's a sport, but at the same time, it is also being punched in the head professionally. So these people, MMA fighters, people who look up to MMA fighters and boxers as kind of, like, you know, bastions of wisdom, you're like, I don't know, man. They've been hitting the head a lot, and that's not the part of your body that you want to get hit too many times. [00:41:48] Speaker A: He's mentioned Dick, Stan. [00:41:49] Speaker B: No, that I want to say. Any boxers are MMA fighters. [00:41:52] Speaker A: I know. I have. I have. What you said you called every boxer, every MMA fighter. You called them all out. I heard that. It's fine. We'll move on. We'll swiftly move on. You mentioned Doug Stanhope. As we'll talk about influences. We'll just stop. We'll move away from the wrestling on one final point. One final point in the wrestling before we move on, because obviously, I went away from it for years. I kind of. I've always kind of kept. I love the shoe interviews, man. I love watching these guys talking, especially people that I grew up with in the nineties or the early two thousands, the way they bitch about each other. Then you'd find out an interview with the other guy to hear her say the story and figure out who's in the wrong and who's in the right. But, yeah, so. But I mean, obviously, drew Galloway, good air sample. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Incredible. [00:42:40] Speaker A: There's a boy, he's, like, writing about it, as well. [00:42:43] Speaker B: World champion. [00:42:45] Speaker A: I've been kind of paying attention to that because he got back involved. But why would you feel. Final point on it is, like, with Triple H coming in, because obviously, I've been away for so long, it's hard for me to kind of differentiate. Is it getting better? Was it. Is it staying the same? What would you say? Is it going the right direction? [00:43:01] Speaker B: It's going the right direction. I think Triple H has did some cool stuff. I think he's a bit strange guy, and I think it's a bit inside baseball. But I think you look at the way he's treated certain ethnic minorities over the last couple of decades, you know, as his relationship with Booker T. And then the way he's booked some people. When he was the booker of NXT, which is the kind of promotional league, there was a guy, I can't remember his name. Males, I think, was his first name, and he quit because he said that. And he just found that the way Triple H booked the promotion, to be a bit. A bit racist and be interested in seeing how that ultimately, if you're. The thing you're being compared to is Vince McMahon, who is, as we'll all find out via Netflix in about a week, one of the worst human beings all time. Like, I mean, genuinely, he is an absolute car crashier guy. Like, do you know that way where they say, power, what is it? Power corrupts an absolute. Power corrupts absolutely. He was in charge of an entire genre of performance. [00:44:10] Speaker A: The craziest. [00:44:11] Speaker B: The craziest ruined so many lives. [00:44:12] Speaker A: You know, the craziest genre of performance, because, you know, that is rock and roll. You know, people talk about rock and roll musicians. They don't. They don't have to go to the gym in the morning and then not fuck each other and then take the drink of the sex. Drinks and drugs. But on top of that, they're. They're also taking everyone else. That's why not many make it. So that's why wrestling beats poetry when it comes to drinking. [00:44:38] Speaker B: You know, I've had a few drinks with some slam poets, but I do think that wrestlers are a bit. [00:44:42] Speaker A: Comedy is basically slam poetry. That. Except you don't bother making things rhyme. [00:44:47] Speaker B: No, exactly. [00:44:49] Speaker A: What seems easy. So just basically doing poems that don't rhyme. Who's the worst, though? More interesting, sort of. Obviously, I. Comedy versus music. What is the crack these days where comedians, are they. Are they getting on it? Is there a problem with the small way or the anything like. Or is it. [00:45:10] Speaker B: No, I think it's kind of just like, kind of culture in general where. Cause the. What would you say how would you describe things compared to, like, the nineties and the two thousands? I think, like, just not even in terms of. Just in drinking, but in terms of like, the housing market and, like, what you can do your life, all the. Everything's narrow that we bitch. Know what I mean? So I think the current generation, I can be there, certainly my generation who came in, you know, on the tail end of the housing crash and then ten years out of the career or eight years out of the career went through Covid. And now there's. Whatever's happening just now, you know what I mean? Like, all the margins are a bit tighter. So, I mean, we are. All the older comedians think that we're a lot of pussies, to be honest with you. The way. I mean, I'm a lightweight, certainly. So. Yeah, no, maybe. I think the next crew will be a bunch of absolute head Casey stuff. Met some. There's a wee guy, fake Cumbernauld called Jack Trainer, and he's really, really funny, but I think he'll be in the jail in about three years. Shout out to Jack Trainer. He's really. He's really, really. Yeah, I'm on that show. Talk to him. He lived in China for a wee bit and he's a Cumberland old community. He just got fired by his agent and the only other comedian that's been fired by that agent was Frankie. And I think Jack Trainer's gonna be. He's really, really good. He's brilliant, but he's a fucking nutjob. [00:46:31] Speaker A: I've got him. I've got him here. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Jack Trainer, you ever seen him? [00:46:37] Speaker A: I've recognized him. [00:46:40] Speaker B: He's good. He's my big. He's my pick, man. I think he's got to be a big star. [00:46:46] Speaker A: Amazing. If he doesn't get the jail, he'll be. He will be a big star. I always quite like that, though, the idea of, like, you know, I remember I used to come up with bullshit like, you know, I'll be dead or a millionaire by the time I'm 30. And then you turn 30 and you're neither. You're like, fuck. [00:47:05] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah, but I. Jack my. I went down to red Raw last night. I like just going down to hang out sometimes and seeing who the new comedians are. And there was a lassie for Zimbabwe. She was incredible. Susan Riddle was on. She brought her Labrador Annie. They were there and it was brilliant. All the new comedians are the Kraken, and they seem a wee bit more party animals than my generation who were kind of a bit tamer, I think. [00:47:37] Speaker A: What'S talking about comedy influences. I was always, always loved to hear it. I love to hear the top five or something. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Lap not so. So I kind of started in 2013, I think. And that was a kind of age of the people that I was. Obviously, I grew up with Billy Conley, and when I was a teenager, Kevin Bridges was a wee bit like the Beatles in the East End, I think in certain Glasgow in general, people. House parties, you bet, empties. And people would go, stick on the Ken Bridges. But about empties, Jamie. And that was a big. It was interesting because you could just kind of look at it and go, oh, you can, you can do that. If you go to the stand and you do red roll. You can. You can be a comedian and. But then I was a wee bit more at a John Mulaney, Hannibal Burris, Kyle Kanae were three comedians in Chicago. I've never been in Chicago. My puff. But for some reason, day three, I was really drawn to them. Doug Stanhope, Maria Bamford, all people like that. LOUis CK, he obviously, this was before he started jacking off all the time, or before he was there at the time. [00:48:46] Speaker A: That was his prime. I'd been his prime jacking off time. He said, these days are gone. Now, as far as I know, he. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Had his incident, you know, so we've all had one. [00:48:58] Speaker A: But I'll tell you what, he just. He's the. The comeback is one bit. He's came back from that. But he kind of gotta get sort of flung in the middle of a lot of me too stuff. I think it's a bill bond that said it started getting to the point where it was just bad dates that were getting flung in the middle of. [00:49:20] Speaker B: It, maybe, but I know. I disagree with that. I think. I think a. You can be a fucked up guy and you can no really be good with talking to lassies and all that type of stuff. But then if you are then having your agent contact these women and go, it would be better for your career if you never spoke about this. I mean, that's fucked up. [00:49:42] Speaker A: I didn't know that. I don't really know it. [00:49:44] Speaker B: I look at. Look into his manager, a lot of people dropped. [00:49:49] Speaker A: He had the fixer, Louis CK. All I. All I knew about it was, is that he was wank. Sorry, I wank in any plant pots. That's not really any other way to see it. And I didn't know the full story. [00:50:05] Speaker B: There's a documentary about it called sorry, that was at the Glasgow Film Festival there. And I recommend, if you're interested in the topic, I would recommend looking into it. Unfortunately, he was my hero growing up, not. I had opinions in my head that was just jokes. He would say, like, he was my absolute hero. And then all that stuff came out, and I was like, and there's been a few people like that. You know, I was really into with the island when I was a teenager. Does films, and I liked his stand up. And obviously he's, you know. Yeah, this instance himself. So. So I. It's interesting, over the last couple years, I'm trying not people want to pay this to anymore because it turns out they're all fucking. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Everyone's flawed, and power corrupts, and fame corrupts a lot as well. And you've got Louis CK, who I suppose a lot of the older stuff that hasn't aged as well, because the idea was it was kind of playing a Persona. I was making jokes. And then when you hear that, you're like, all right. That was just his actual thoughts, his way of life. [00:51:07] Speaker B: He was kind of a moralistic comedian. He was kind of like, here's what's wrong with the world. Here's what's wrong with people. Let's all try and be better. And if you're saying that, but you're also the guy who is, like, asking lassies to come back to your hotel room, and then they try to leave and you're like, at the doorway, cocker. It's kind of like, can I really buy into you as America's dad anymore? Do you know what I mean? You'll know. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah. It went in that kind of Bill Cosby moral thing. And the Bill Cosby was the, you know, he used to message people saying, don't swear and you're set. [00:51:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Eddie Murphy. [00:51:43] Speaker A: No, he swear. Meanwhile, Doctor Cosby, honestly, is that way. [00:51:51] Speaker B: I think in comedy, where if you have a really nice act, like, if you're on stage and you're like a nice guy, you're an absolute monster backstage. Whereas if you're on stage and you're an absolute foul creature, you tend to be quite a nice person off stage. [00:52:07] Speaker A: But what about Louis CK? He wasn't that nice on stage. I mean, I think you're talking about the show was nice, but was stand up comedy wasn't nice, was he? [00:52:14] Speaker B: No, I wasn't nice at all. [00:52:19] Speaker A: Sometimes you could be not nice on stage, and you're also not nice in real life. Dave Grove's getting it. Dave Grove's getting it tight because he's a nice guy at rock, and he had an affair. [00:52:28] Speaker B: It's anytime something goes, I'm the nice guy. [00:52:31] Speaker A: You go, hey, we up, we up. [00:52:37] Speaker B: I mean, anytime someone's like, oh, I'm the nice guy, you're like, I don't know. [00:52:41] Speaker A: Doug Stanhope stuck. Doug Stanhope, yeah. As far as we know, he's not. I mean, he seems to be, quite honestly, he's wrote books about all the. [00:52:52] Speaker B: Stuff he's done, and he's. [00:52:52] Speaker A: I mean, I love. I love them. Digging up. Digging up mother. Was that what it's called? [00:52:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I think there's more suicide. [00:52:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, but it wasn't like Ben, was she. She asked. But wait, I mean, like, she did that. She wasn't asking for it. She was asking for help. To, to. Euthanasia is a totally different thing for the crispin my thing. [00:53:14] Speaker B: We think. [00:53:15] Speaker A: Yes, we think as far as, you know, she's not available for comment at the moment. But Doug Stanhope, that book, I love the audiobook, and I think he's one of the few podcast comedians, because obviously there's that, the Joe Rogan verse thing, but there's just all these comedians that do podcasts, and I'm not, in my opinion, that funny, but Dick Stanhope's maybe not in that world as much, because he can't be asked leaving. He's retained, but he just. [00:53:42] Speaker B: He's probably the best comedian, I would say. Um, I used to have. I used to work in my dad's hairdressers, um, and I would just kind of, on my lunch break, I just found I really didn't have a big interest in hair. And on my lunch break, I would just put in, like, I had the ipod classic, and I put downloaded loads of comedy albums, and I had Doug Stanhope, I think it's called, before he turned begun on himself, and I had a few other. And then he turned the ground on himself, and he had a bit. He had so many bits, and it's like, I think when your life is kinda shy, you listen to stuff like this and you listen to, for me, music like Slayer. Can you. You know, when I was younger and I would listen to this really mental stuff, and it just kind of shocks you how shy your life is, and it's like a door to, like, another way of living, and you just think it's exciting. And I just. I just love that idea that you could be that, like, we. Here comes a guillotine is we do some pretty mad stuff for a podcast. And it's like, I just like the idea that you could be the Wii gateway and happiness for somebody, because, I mean, life's fucking shitty most of the time into it, so it's nice to have a way spark or something, as. [00:55:05] Speaker A: You definitely not have a warning at the start. Not for families. [00:55:10] Speaker B: I don't know why you do that for lawyers. I'm like. [00:55:20] Speaker A: No, I said, definitely money. There's definitely bits with your mum laughing mad everywhere. I shouldn't have been laughing at, but that comedy is that line of humor. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Stanhope's just like, he really does the thing. I think Bob does it very well as well. He kind of takes an impossible argument and then wins you over. Do you know what I mean? He would just. He would just come and defend completely. [00:55:48] Speaker A: Would you say Bill Boris in his prime? [00:55:50] Speaker B: I think he was billing his prime about five year ago, six years ago. I really like his black and white special. That's me. [00:55:57] Speaker A: That's. We're just talking about special. So I just thought I'd give a wee. I'll probably. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Oh, thanks very much. Yeah. So this is how many views it? [00:56:05] Speaker A: 40,000 in seven months. That's good going, man. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Yes, man. [00:56:11] Speaker A: 39,000 by around the job. Because sometimes it takes a while process. So some people. But you can tell the. You can tell a lot about this and if they. If they under it. Oh, you're only 35. I'm a bit over 35. 2000 over 35. 4000 over 45. So nearly 40,800 pound guerilla media. [00:56:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they're great. They're a company. They're a kind of record company in America. And they were. I couldn't believe it. They came to see me at the fringe and we worked out a deal to record it and put it. So it's on Spotify and Apple Music and stuff as well. That's my first album. That's like my debut album and. And I just love comedy specials. So I was buzzing, man, when we put recorded monkey barrel comedy in Edinburgh, which is brilliant. Brilliant place to. [00:57:01] Speaker A: It's brilliant. It's really good. Honestly, everyone check it. Sometimes. Sometimes you get people that are funny in real life and they just kind of get a good special. So it's good to actually. I can actually say genuinely, that it's a good special. It just doesn't seem to work for. Who is it that I've seen. I like Tim Dillon's weekly thing. [00:57:21] Speaker B: I love Tim Dillon. [00:57:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I love Tim Dillon. [00:57:24] Speaker B: I gagged with him in the hugging pint on Great Western Road, the basement of a thai vegan street food the. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Rogan bump is real for him, man. Sold at the academy. [00:57:39] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, he's. I mean, he's one of the biggest queens the world. But a couple of years ago, he came over to Glasgow for the. He done the stand, then he done black friars and he done the hugging paint and I was in the bellwether. It was amazing. [00:57:51] Speaker A: What about Mark Norman? [00:57:53] Speaker B: Never gave him a Norman, but I do like, his last special was unreal, man. He's a great comedian. [00:57:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Sam Morrow. Sam Morrow is really good for the boys. I think. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Just them. I agree that Martin Luther's a good comedian, but he did an impression of me. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:10] Speaker A: Okay, this is Mark Norman, international comedian, doing an impression of me. Hold on. There we go. Some guy did a YouTube thing about. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Like, I saw Norman. It's all Scott. [00:58:20] Speaker A: I saw Norman. They fucking eye. He got booed. That has impression to me. [00:58:28] Speaker B: It's no strong point. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Germane, but it was. It was nothing. It was all lovely. [00:58:37] Speaker B: It's not exactly the best. [00:58:43] Speaker A: It was either me or it was CG, who was also from air. Sir. CG was explaining because a lot of people are saying that he could booed off stage and there was a lot of drama and CG the academy. And so CG came on to explain it. The episodes on. On our channel, if anyone wants to check it, but basically, CG is a fan of Martin Luther. He was just explaining what happened and it was. I think the problem was people were trying to heckle him and he had no idea what they were saying. And there's a communication issue. [00:59:13] Speaker B: I've had that in Newcastle, man. You know, you're like, I don't know what you are saying right now. [00:59:19] Speaker A: What's the best heck? Oh, you've heard best heckle? [00:59:23] Speaker B: I don't know. Why don't you. [00:59:24] Speaker A: Do you enter? Do you wait. Do you welcome a heckle? Some people do, some people don't. [00:59:29] Speaker B: I see. If I'm in the middle of a big bet, like, if you're building momentum and you're building tension, and then somebody goes, it'd be funny if I popped this just now. It's like, yeah, it would be. That's what I'm doing. I'm building up tension. So as I can see, the thing that makes everybody go, oh, I see what you're doing. You know, but if some guy just goes and then it's like everybody laughs at his thing, but he's popped you. [00:59:56] Speaker A: Do you? So I had a situation a few months ago where a musician says in the middle of the song. We need to go back to the start, and I don't. I don't agree with that. I think we just figure it out and make it work, and we'll go back to the start again to do a song. I just. I just refused to do back to. [01:00:13] Speaker B: The start of the set list. [01:00:17] Speaker A: I'm assuming. Just the song. We had it. Boy. I just don't really like, that was like, you know, let's just have a shake song rather than go back to the start. I don't. I don't know. This is just a weird opinion I've got. What would you do if you either get heckled or you forget what you make a mistake? I'm not saying that you do make mistakes, but I'm assuming. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Oh, I make mistakes, man, for sure. Especially what, you know, what I've done. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Is go back to the start. Would you, or would you change the subject, or would you try and go back to the start of the joke? If it's a long one, if somebody. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Ruins it, I just go, I just deal with them, and then I go, let me just explain what I was about to say there. And then I don't even perform it. I just go, so what I did is I say this and then I say that, and then at the end of that bit, I'll kind of pause for a wee second, and then I'll say this. And people find it very funny, but unfortunately, you have ruined that, so shut the fuck up. And crowds enjoy that. I think they can kind of see through. You know, I'm an all right performer, so people can connect. If I'm like, I'm not going to perform this. I'm just going to tell you what would happen. And then when people see, imagine I had actually done that. If that guy had made around it, it would have been amazing. We'll never know. [01:01:30] Speaker A: We'll never. As silence the. I've got a theory that the silence is the secret to comedy, being comfortable and the uncomfortable silences enough to, like, just so, like, obviously, I've done sort of, like, the closest I've got to do in stand up was maybe doing introducing spoken word stuff, which is funny. It was comedy kind of spoken word. And I noticed that after I've done a couple guys, I'm totally out of practice now, so I'd be terrible. But when you're. When you're doing it, quite often there's a beat, there's a rhythm to it, and just being able to shut up when people are laughing and enjoying a line and just shop. Maybe even repeat it. And is that. Is that the. How do you. Is that the secret or what? If not, what is the secret of comedy? [01:02:21] Speaker B: I don't know what the secret gone is, but silence is definitely really, really important. And I took a wee bit inspiration for spoken words when I started, because there was a night at yes bar called the Variety Society, and it was like an open make no, just for stand up. But if you never heard the yes bar potential listener, you never heard the espa. It was a scottish independence themed italian restaurant, and I had a sister restaurant called Liberty, which was a scottish independence themed french restaurant. There was no scottish independence themed scottish restaurant. Yeah, it was an amazing place. And they had a night called the Variety Society, and anybody could get up, so you would get. I was desperate for these times. I was like, I'll go down to the variety society in front of five people. And I remember a guy called Sam Small. [01:03:10] Speaker A: Oh, Sam. I know Sam well. Yeah. [01:03:12] Speaker B: Amazing. And the way he spoke, he would really bring the crowd and had these. He wasn't reading it. He was just, like, monologuing. And he wasn't, like, begging for laughs. It was funny, but it was, like, dramatic. I just remember, God, I really need to learn how to do that. And I kind of stole a few. No lines off him, but I kind of took inspiration for him when I started. He honestly, still some of the best poetry ever. [01:03:40] Speaker A: There's no doubt. Sam just cannot. You're just. You get lost in it and you. Yeah, he's just. It's just able you believe what he's doing. He's going to take you on a little journey. And very funny as well. And quite emotional at times, as well. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker A: I remember the last time. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Last time I spoke to him, he was at a yoga retreat. Right. I don't know why he was there. Well, he was walking that, I think. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Okay. So it just made me. You've got to choose yoga smack at one point. And it's like, I'm kind of like 50 50. I've never tried. I've never tried either. I'd like to clarify. I tried either, but I'm at that age. It's like, right, we're going in. We go down the brown stuff, all the stretches. Actually, I was laughing at your. I wish to be your stand up again. I watched it before, but I watched that again last week. Who, by the way, Jigsaw Tiger. Amanda says, I watched the other week, and it was brawl. Lots of laughs and great storytelling. [01:04:40] Speaker B: Thank you, Jigsaw Tiger. [01:04:42] Speaker A: You can use that quote on your new tour poster with the soldier Dundee shows on it. But. Yeah, but you're talking about the weeds and that's where I'm at with. No. You described my weed experience as someone who used to wake up off, but I stopped and know my tolerance. [01:04:58] Speaker B: I'll get back in. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I. My tolerance got too low and we'd get too strong. Yeah, I still enjoy. Sometimes I think it's George Cullen. They said maybe 72 or something. Like, do you still take drugs? And eventually I still have a couple of puffs when I'm editing. And I thought I was quite good. So, I mean, he writes sober and then he just like, has a couple of puffs and he. So sometimes I do that. If I'm about to record maybe, what, next week, I'm like, you know what? I've got this song. It's nearly done, but maybe I have a couple of puffs because I'm going to be cool with George Carlin. [01:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:32] Speaker A: I just start freaking out and thinking I'm having a heart attack. [01:05:39] Speaker B: I've started eating gummies and I've got a pal who has, for medical purposes, she's got a vape pen. A legal weed pen. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Yes. [01:05:51] Speaker B: And I've had a few. [01:05:52] Speaker A: It's legal if you fill out a form, you just need to fill out form there. [01:05:55] Speaker B: But. So I've been having a wee too on that. The other week, though, I had a puff and I was just lying doing, and I was shaped like a snake. I thought, you know that way when you're so stone, like, you start doing this, we are horns, and you just kind of start doing vampire stuff. And I was all curled up and I was like, I was looking at a gummy snake or something. But I can't really handle it at all, I always think. Oh, because I remember hearing the song Sweet Leaf by Black Sabbath when I was a wee guy, and it just sounds amazing. I love Black Sabbath. I love stoner metal. I love weed films. But then I realized I don't need to be stoned to enjoy them, necessarily. I'm already there, basically. [01:06:37] Speaker A: Well, I said, did you know that you can just fill out a form and get it if you want it? [01:06:41] Speaker B: I thought you had to have, like, something wrong with you. [01:06:44] Speaker A: Aye, but cannabis cures everything, don't you know? It's like pretty much everyone. [01:06:48] Speaker B: That's why the Black Sabbath song said that. [01:06:51] Speaker A: I think it was. You said that it makes bad movies better. So you could just say, what? I'm watching this really shape film and you know, I paid, I've already paid Amaz Amazon. I pay a monthly thing for Amazon and then I'm paying another six quid for an Amazon film. They're like, fair enough. You're taking ounce, but I blade three. Most people don't know about this and don't get the legal cannabis because, well, I mean, I hate filling out forms as well. I've never get any funding because I can't be bothered filling a form. Fuck knows. There's definitely no chance of doing it from Stoned man. So I think that's what's slowing it down. And Henry Rowan's at the pavilion as part of the Glasgow comedy festival was brilliant, relentless, and so much energy, nonstop as well. So that's quite interesting. So what is Henry Rowan's? Because he's, he's obviously, I've seen he. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Was in black flags. Yeah, he was in black. Oh, you know his. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I know he has. I'm aware of your stuff, but. So at what point does that become comedy? Because he's kind of telling funny stories from back in the day. [01:07:52] Speaker B: I. I mean, he became a kind of one man show guy. I think. I think he get fed up with music and he just decided to be a storyteller. What is it, a pa. What's the word? Polemic? He was a polemicist and he would just get up there, which I get the difference between being a polemicist and being a stand up. So. [01:08:13] Speaker A: But then the classical conversation, when is it? When is it? When does it change, though? How many? So I'm just genuinely curious because what's the politics behind that? Does it at some point form, isn't it? [01:08:23] Speaker B: What's the difference between. What's the difference between all the different genres or performances? So stand ups are very specific. Hang. It was kind of vaudeville before a play, there'd be a guy in front of a curtain in the early half of the 12th century. Then, you know, in America, you had the kind of guys in New York and coffee clubs with a brick wall behind them and. [01:08:46] Speaker A: Right, okay, so what about us? [01:08:48] Speaker B: Down. But then one being a one man storyteller is a complete. That's a more theatrical thing. [01:08:52] Speaker A: So Henry Rowens just did quicker anecdotes because obviously his anecdote's gone a bit. I like them, I'm a fan. But what if you just shortened them doing it told, you know, instead of doing one story the last ten minutes, he just did one story every four minutes. And then, and then imagine you did a set where you didn't have a punchline for five minutes. Is there a crossover? When do you become a polemicist? When does he become a comedian? Or just know, what is he doing in the club? Do you need a license? Do you know that? [01:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, I think there's a lot of people who do stuff like that and it's like, you know, I don't. I don't hold them any ill will. When you hear about somebody. I remember I was told, I will not say his name because he's a nice guy, but I remember talking to someday a gig in London, and it was his 15th gig. He was famous for doing TikToks and Instagram videos and stuff. And he was like, I'm doing my first. He was playing the o two in Glasgow and he was doing his first tour. It was all the o two something to the country. And he was going to be playing, you know, 600 seaters and a thousand seaters. And he's like, I've only done 15 gigs and I need to get better because I'm doing this big tour soon. And I was just like, God bless you, man. Because it's hard. It's like I've had ten years of practice and all the toilets and now I'm doing kind of bigger rooms someplace. [01:10:12] Speaker A: That seems a bit extreme. That seems a bit extreme. But also it seems a bit extreme having to do toilets for ten years and then people still. Cool. I was going to say that because obviously what people mean a lot of the time, you know, I've never been called over, like, success, because I've never been successful. But, you know, eventually what somebody. What happens is somebody. I've seen it come to friends of mine and stuff, and it's like they just suddenly, they get on the newspaper for whatever reason, and they're called an overnight success. What will you say to them? What you say to those who say you're an overnight success, fair folks? [01:10:50] Speaker B: It basically just means I've never heard of you until right now. [01:10:54] Speaker A: Or like Ren, I don't know. The musician Ren, they're all about pissed off. He's got obsessed fans. He went viral about a year ago. Ren's amazing, but his fans are really obsessed. And he was running the sky arts last night and they called him a TikTok musician, so. Because he went viral. But he's not even that big in tick talk, you know, he's big on the rest of them, but he's not really into. But that's how it's the main, not mainstream, the old school legacy media, whatever. [01:11:19] Speaker B: They call it, legacy media versus new media is so interesting. [01:11:23] Speaker A: So they just got to call them tick tock. Oh, it's a TikTok superstar. Because they just don't understand who the fuck it is. [01:11:29] Speaker B: I mean, I feel kind of daft because stand up is a wee bit like being a book writer or something. It's like a kind of art form for 40 years ago, do you know what I mean? It was the cutting edge thing when Billy Connolly was it. It was like, wow, is this new hang stand up comedy? And. And now it's kind of like. It's an old fashioned thing, which I like about it. I like how old fashioned and traditional is. And the forum is so established that you can make retweets to it and revitalize it a wee bit. But, like, um. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I just wish I'd started a podcast about five years earlier or something. [01:12:06] Speaker A: You know, we missed the boat. Always must have put this stuff. Must have bought with this stuff. Facebook. That will never catch on. And then I fucking call in, and then it was too late. And then YouTube. Ah, that will never work. Just always about late. And then I just rolled up to TikTok in December 2023, saying, I'm a scottish guy in Mexico. Nothing. Crickets. Everyone's like, oh, he's going tick tock. It's easy to go viral in TikTok. 130 followers, man. I can't idea. [01:12:42] Speaker B: I got pure. No, it was my fault. I put up stupid clip up and I got a bit hassle for it. But the abuse I got, TikTok was just absolutely. I did sell it the fringe that year, but. And I had partly, like. It was because people were like, oh, I can't believe all this stuff people said about having it. But it was just that stupid stuff. [01:13:04] Speaker A: I'm not. [01:13:05] Speaker B: It was. It was like a joke about rangers, the celtic and people. Really. [01:13:10] Speaker A: Well, actually, that's. That's a good point. You've got. I was going to ask you, Chris MacArthur Boyd, did you. Did you put the MacArthur in as your stage name? Because you're going to be called Chris Boyd because as someone who's also got the name of an old firm football player, I can understand why you've got to do something to differentiate. [01:13:29] Speaker B: No, I was Christopher Boyd before Chris Boyd joined the Rangers team. [01:13:36] Speaker A: I don't mean after him neither. I wasn't named after the guy either. I wasn't named after that guy. Yeah, I'm in the show. I've got fucking a few words to have with that guy, the guy that ruined my wife. [01:13:48] Speaker B: I know I got a double bottle name because my dad's dad died a heart attack. He was a window cleaner. He died when he was a baby. Then he had a stepdad whose name was MacArthur. So I'm boyed by blood. But then Macarthur. And then my dad was trying to sign on, and they said, well, you've been two guys. Because his stepdad insisted that he took his second name. So it was a complicated thing where basically he was signing on and he thought, I'll just double barrel it now. Get both my names. I've had. And then new people. Hank. I went to her chair or something, and I'm like, no, I wish. Bannerman high School. [01:14:25] Speaker A: It's CMB, but it's good. It's good. Look, I mean, a lot of poets, the successful poets, usually have a middle name. I think it's a CMB, as you wear whenever I pop up. Sort of just got a couple of final things. I need CFPS. You see me. So obviously that's good. I wish I thought that. Obviously Liam Gallagher did that. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:49] Speaker A: Kiss. [01:14:51] Speaker B: It's just such a mad thing. He put it into a tweet. Because tweet already has your name at the top of it. So why would you put you. Why would you initially. Hulk Hogan does it as well. He would go, hh. And celtic fans think he's saying he'll. [01:15:02] Speaker A: He will. [01:15:03] Speaker B: He will. Twice fucking Hulk Hogan. And Hulk Hogan is an irish name, so, you know, it makes sense. I'm sure he does support and some universe out there. Hulk Hogan and Henrik Larson are best pals, I think. But I, um. I. [01:15:20] Speaker A: So do you do it every tweet you finish with CMB, as you will. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Only if it's. It just feels. I don't know about you, but I'm kind of. I don't like self promotion, but you have to do it. So I think if you're gonna do it, act like you're really big buzz and go CNB. Actually, because I don't. I mean, it doesn't make any sense for me to go, hey, another week of the podcast, you know, or like, hey, just put Dundee just sold out, extra show. And Dundee, it feels gross being like, oh, look at how well I'm doing. So he's put CMB as you wears. I cannot. But then some people take out face value and they're like, you hate your Liam Gallica. And I'm like, no, no, I don't think I'm Liam Gallagher. [01:16:03] Speaker A: That sums up. Why? They're still. I've still got friends of mine that I grew up with. They don't know I'm even in a band. They still work at a call center because they would say, oh, Jake, you're Liam Gallagher. Because that's what they say. Anybody who tries to do anything, there's no call center or slaughters you, Hank, a bit. [01:16:19] Speaker B: People yank about them, too, obviously. There's been a lot of chat about oasis, but the absolute gumption are they two people in their life must have been, like, used to a fucking mental. And they obviously were mental, but used to, must be. How daft do you think you are that you can start a robin, you know? And I don't really like the music, but I do really respect where they came from with it. That. [01:16:42] Speaker A: I love how CMB sounds posed, but the name originated from a Monday book. [01:16:49] Speaker B: Was that one day book? [01:16:50] Speaker A: I don't get it. I don't say, sorry, Amanda, is a. [01:16:52] Speaker B: Monday book like a gyro book or something, maybe? [01:16:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, of course it is a Monday book. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Context, context. We can do this. I feel so bad because I'll get posh English, can't come and see me at the. And they're like, oh, we thought you would. Yeah, we thought maybe you had a house in Aberdeen, but you were from, you know, but now you're actually. [01:17:15] Speaker A: What was that game that you talked about? You're in the podcast. You were saying you had a friend from London, you slept at his feet like a cat. And the. He said there was a game. [01:17:26] Speaker B: He was up visiting us, and we were talking. We were talking about having a fiver side game at Glasgow Green. And he went, you guys are playing fives? And I was like, yeah, we play five sub tapes. And he goes, I can't believe that. And I was like, where do you make five cents? And he's like, well, five, the old daytonian game of fives. You wear a glove and you throw the ball at the wall. It's like squash, but with gloves. And we just. We didn't even laugh at him. We just looked at him. God, you are adorable, man. You are. You are. You are not in your element. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Do you use new media for. Do you try and make the rules? The Insta reels? [01:18:08] Speaker B: You know, I kind of have a dest. I have loads of friends who really respect and love, and they do, you know, crowd work, videos. And that's all well and good for me personally. That's. No, I'm trying. I'd probably more popular if I done stuff like that. But for me, I like to record an hour, put out a special as an album and as a video, and then clip that up and then they. [01:18:32] Speaker A: Singles. [01:18:33] Speaker B: Release your singles, essentially, you know, so. And maybe I'd be more popular if I done it a bit more mercenarily. Mercenarily. [01:18:42] Speaker A: But, you know, I don't touch it. [01:18:43] Speaker B: A wee bit, but only during COVID And then I didn't really. It was just a wee bit too. I like being an artist. I like being creative. And it felt a wee bit uncreative to just play video games and there was creative things you could do, but I. And I did. I had a vet, I had a game show on there called Ingrid, I guess, where I would go in my fridge and I'd find something and then I'd get somebody for the chat and they would have to guess the ingredients to like what I'd got for the fridge. And that was really fun. But it wasn't. It wasn't creative. I mean, it was. It was a good laugh, but it wasn't like, I want to make stuff and. And tell stories and. And I just identif. And people can do that on there, but I couldn't. Yeah, Angela made us is absolutely amazing. He's an absolute. [01:19:30] Speaker A: Oh, it's amazing, man. I mean, the other. I don't watch the. But it's happening. But whoever's doing the clips, God, it's just constant, man. It's just my algorithm all the time. Let me clip. So brilliant. I didn't get. Yeah, we stopped stream after kind of pretty much stop streaming twice completely, because I was just multi streaming it. But the problem is, it's a different language you've got to use with Twitch, and it just gets complicated. And this. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Every platform has its own grammar and. [01:19:55] Speaker A: Stuff, you know, it's the same way that there's people that are listening to the audio podcast. I know. And I'm saying, look at this on the screen. So sorry, but that I can. [01:20:03] Speaker B: If you're wondering what was on the screen, it was a graphic image of a samoan man rubbing his arse on Paul Heyman's face. That was what we were doing. [01:20:14] Speaker A: And before that, there was a. There was a Cumberland shopping center. [01:20:17] Speaker B: It was a documentary. [01:20:19] Speaker A: Check out Brittleist architecture for more information than that. Okay, well, that's. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Check out the book brawl concrete. If you're interested in british architecture, what. [01:20:27] Speaker A: You put in the path of the tour is anything else. How can people follow you? [01:20:30] Speaker B: Big Glasgow show at the Pavilion. It's the biggest show I've ever done in my path. Biggest show since then. Before that, Glasgow would have been the stand, which is 150 seats. This is 1450 seats. I've kind of went out on a limb. And we're selling well, man. You know, there's floors sold out and then, like, the stall, the stalls is doing well. And this. The circle's selling well. But like, that's in November and that's. We're going to record that as my second special. So, um. Please come and see that. What is that? [01:21:04] Speaker A: November? November 8. [01:21:06] Speaker B: And that's going to be. I. That'll be the next big show where I stuck out on YouTube eventually. But I'm getting the guy who filmed Kevin Bridges specials to record that. And, um, I. I just. I'm so the first one was recorded by the guy who done James a. Casters echo, Stuart laws for Turtle Canyon. He's amazing. But this one's going to be in a big. My first big venue in Glasgow. And I'm getting. I'm getting the guy who done bridges and who done Susan McCabe's as well. So they're good pedigree. The guy knows how to shoot stuff and. And I just hope I can film it. But the show is really fun, so I can't do that. That'll be good. I'm terrible at promoting myself. [01:21:45] Speaker A: CNB, as you said. You did good. It's a big. It's a big moment for you, man. The pavilion. Who would have thought it? I can't even. Where would I send you? I must. I mean, I definitely seen you. You were playing anyway. I don't know if I was in the same boat as you, but if he was like, it would have been a small pub where about five people a bit. [01:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of that. First time I seen you was a broadcast, I think. [01:22:09] Speaker A: Yeah, broadcast. [01:22:11] Speaker B: Like gyro babies. [01:22:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, to be said, cold and mustard one night, maybe. [01:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a night. Yeah. It was for somebody's birthday, Nico. [01:22:21] Speaker A: It was Nicole wings birthday. Yeah. [01:22:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And it was awesome. I was like. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I was right in the front and I was like. I'd heard that all the bands. [01:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:30] Speaker B: And. But live was completely different in the way. Yeah. Your performance was. [01:22:35] Speaker A: I had gloves that night. I got them. [01:22:38] Speaker B: You came back for a game of fives. [01:22:43] Speaker A: Perfectly in the show. Thank you, Chris. Here comes the guillotine. Go and check out that podcast with Frankie as the best podcast in the world. [01:22:54] Speaker B: Yes. Number one in Scotland, other than you. [01:22:57] Speaker A: Call that radio, obviously, other than you call that radio, of course. But thank you very much. Go and check out the tour. It's coming up. And Dublin, Leeds, Dundee, Brighton, Aberdeen, Dumfries, Glasgow, Belfast, Cardiff, Southampton, Bristol, Cmb. As you were. [01:23:12] Speaker B: As you were. Thank you so much. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Go check out Christopher MacArthur. Boy. They put the link in the comments to his stand up special, the first one, which is available to watch for free on YouTube right now, and the stock tickets available for the second special at the pavilion in November 8. Once again, thank you to all the patrons who support the [email protected]. forward slash, you callthatradio. I'm away. Sorry, I didn't show Stevens who commented. Now you tell us, Mark, after we gratefully accepted those guest pass frequencies. I think he's referring to the weather. I'm just making up that radio. I've even checked the weather. It's too sunny today, so I'm assuming that it's gonna rain all weekend. But I'm glad you got the tickets to Equinox festival. You and Gordon and all the other patrons that were taking Equinox festival. One more festival this weekend and yeah, that's this weekend, Friday night, gyros, 09:00 and I'll see you later. Bye. Right. Right. Doctor John Cooper Clark, do you call that radio it for this? Try to. [01:24:24] Speaker B: Brothers and sisters, may the peace that. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Can only come from the one. God be upon you. We are here to tell the people.